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And nothing about that case has anything at all to do with this case. The facts are not at all similar to this case. There was no legal action instigated by the STATE, a family business was not involved, the only pressure the florist is facing is from the STATE and the GLBTQQ+++ coalition.... So stop trying to create a fruit salad and stick to the facts in this case.
The facts are very similar.
Person refuses service to a protected class.
Person gets caught.
Person claims "religious belief" to get around the law.
Person is told to follow the law.
Either "religious belief" is a legitimate cause to break the law, or it isn't.
Do you feel I have been snide and insulting to you?
Your posts are quite reasonable and I do not think anybody could accuse you of being snide or insulting to the faithful among us. With other posters it is almost as if they give the religious myths people believe the same respect as they would beliefs in flying unicorns, gumdrop rainbows or leprechauns.
Has she? Now that is interesting. It may be years before the legal proceedings have concluded. I will be watching with interest.
She filed in May 2013.
It appears that it was rolled into the original case.
The judge was very thorough, He covered the constitution, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, state law, state constitution, and still ruled against her.
IMO, anti-discrimination laws include the retail POS (point of service), and/but should NOT extend to the, individually contracted, extra-retail services sometimes offered (wedding cakes, flowers, photography, etc).
For example, merchants should sell anyone cookies or their wares, at the store, however, extra-retail services contracted specifically for your wedding fall under contract law, that includes WILLING PARTIES mutually agreeing to something very specific and customized, individual, unique events of/for specific parties (thereto).
Your wedding is (likely) not open to all retail customers to come join in, etc.
The fact that the contract may be discussed or arranged at the location of the retail establishment is beside the point of the contract that may be agreed to, and the laws that govern contracts.
Cookies for Sale = ALL welcome to buy all retail items on display
Wedding Cakes = contract for a unique and customized personal service (all parties agree to a contract, or not, based on price, religious connotations of the event, location, date, whatever --> so be it)
I LIKE what's going on in Indiana, Gov Mike Pence defends religious freedom law, trying to bring some sanity and balance to this issue.
You are SO on target and this is what people refuse to hear. It isn't about selling products or services that everyone just walks into an establishment to get but contracting or signing an agreement and taking part in an immoral event. People just seem to dense to understand this concept and it is so simple.
By selling a dozen cookies, you do not become a part of a celebration of sin like you do when you sign a contract to make a cake for an immoral union. Same with photography and flowers.
The country was founded on religious freedom and now, a teeny tiny minority want to take that away? Who is just so tired of it? Ignorance is bliss and the arguments are based on the fact that too many people are just ignorant about what is going on and listen to the hype. People think for yourselves. None of the religious freedom bills say one word about anyone in the LGBT community. Paranoia is a sign of mental illness.
You are SO on target and this is what people refuse to hear. It isn't about selling products or services that everyone just walks into an establishment to get but contracting or signing an agreement and taking part in an immoral event. People just seem to dense to understand this concept and it is so simple.
By selling a dozen cookies, you do not become a part of a celebration of sin like you do when you sign a contract to make a cake for an immoral union. Same with photography and flowers.
The country was founded on religious freedom and now, a teeny tiny minority want to take that away? Who is just so tired of it? Ignorance is bliss and the arguments are based on the fact that too many people are just ignorant about what is going on and listen to the hype. People think for yourselves. None of the religious freedom bills say one word about anyone in the LGBT community. Paranoia is a sign of mental illness.
So if i'm a restaurant owner and i feed a few steaks to a bunch of guys who are heading to a strip club to afterwards, am i "celebrating sin" or am i just trying to make a profit so i can keep the doors of my business open?
So if i'm a restaurant owner and i feed a few steaks to a bunch of guys who are heading to a strip club to afterwards, am i "celebrating sin" or am i just trying to make a profit so i can keep the doors of my business open?
I think the guys would need to eat the steaks in a gay strip club for you to be part of the celebration of sin.
I LIKE what's going on in Indiana, Gov Mike Pence defends religious freedom law, trying to bring some sanity and balance to this issue.
He is already asking the legislature to amend the bill he just signed. He now wants the law to be worded in such a way that it cannot be used to discriminate against LGBT.
You are SO on target and this is what people refuse to hear. It isn't about selling products or services that everyone just walks into an establishment to get but contracting or signing an agreement and taking part in an immoral event. People just seem to dense to understand this concept and it is so simple.
By selling a dozen cookies, you do not become a part of a celebration of sin like you do when you sign a contract to make a cake for an immoral union. Same with photography and flowers.
The country was founded on religious freedom and now, a teeny tiny minority want to take that away? Who is just so tired of it? Ignorance is bliss and the arguments are based on the fact that too many people are just ignorant about what is going on and listen to the hype. People think for yourselves. None of the religious freedom bills say one word about anyone in the LGBT community. Paranoia is a sign of mental illness.
sin and immoral are subjective. do not go into business serving the public if you don't want to serve all the public. as to "religious freedom" it seems to also be a bit subjective depending on who you ask. however the law is clear you can not discriminate.
I think the guys would need to eat the steaks in a gay strip club for you to be part of the celebration of sin.
LOL wow.
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