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Old 03-05-2015, 01:28 PM
 
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It's the other way around friend. They are making the claim it's innate. Until they have proven it, it can't be accepted.

Following your logic, if I said "God exists", it would be up to the atheists to prove me wrong.
Wrong, friend.

You are making a positive assertion. That homosexuals choose homosexuality. It's up to YOU to prove it.

Following my logic, if YOU said "God exists," it would be up to you to prove it.

 
Old 03-05-2015, 01:29 PM
 
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I believe, as another poster said, that it is a psychological condition....or disturbance, which is probably a better word. The "choice" that comes into play is the choice between getting the help they need and allowing the disturbance to take control of their lives and lead them down the anti-social and destructive path that homosexuality is.


And yet millions buy into this ultimately silly "not a choice" notion, as though there were any evidence or reason to believe it other than they were told they must by the PC powers-that-be. In this bizarre PC era, which will be gone soon as quickly as it came, the population is dupable to levels never before seen.
Do you know this first hand as a gay person yourself?
 
Old 03-05-2015, 01:33 PM
 
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So what if a gay guy goes straight?
Sexual confusion is part of the human condition. Every human society has always had its homosexuals, heterosexuals, bi-sexuals, and some humans never fit neatly into any one of those groups.

The Spartans were a male dominated society that was entirely homosexual, but all men were married to perpetuate their tribe. When it came to love, it was perfectly proper to be homosexual, and every male was, either by force or choice, was homosexual in their youth. It made the Spartans what they were- feared for their military power. Gay warriors fight all the harder when their lovers are fighting beside them.

The Romans used the same practice in their Legions. All their legionnaires were encouraged to take on younger men for lovers, but the majority of them still had wives and children. The only difference was gay was optional in the Legion. Gay was mandatory for the Spartans.

Who cares anyway? No matter what sexual orientation an American has, every American is American. They deserve exactly the same rights as everyone else, period. Does being straight make anyone a better citizen than a gay citizen? Nope.
 
Old 03-05-2015, 01:37 PM
 
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I'm not sure if he's just trolling on purpose and thinks it's funny to see the response, I honestly hope so for humanity's sake.

That said, the hipocrisy is off the charts with this one, many times in the same post!

If you're going to spew such nonsense, and hurtful nonsense at that, then you can't sit around crying "victim" every time someone actually stands up and calls you out on your BS way of thinking. It's one thing to have opinions, but another when you can't back those opinions up as anything other than your random thoughts. The opinions the OP keeps repeating over and over (with no real evidence or rebuttle to the almost hundreds of responses now, are very damaging to people, trying to make them think there's something wrong with them when there's not.
I find you to be a very unpleasant person. I understand this issue is very sensitive to you given that you are homosexual, but being sensitive does not give you the right to lie and defame other posters. I have not read anything of value from you and you pretend to ignore the articulate arguments, none of which has been refuted, that I provided.

There is something wrong with homosexuality socially, biologically, psychologically, which is why the vast majority of humanity since the dawn of times has rejected it including several posters on this forum. The aim of this thread was to provide concrete examples of former homosexuals who now reject the lifestyle, are founding families of their own and wish to tell other young men and women that it is possible to come back from it.

Later in the thread I have explained how homosexuality even if it was genetic, would still be a defect from a biological standpoint. There is really no way out for LGBT people : no matter how you twist it, since homosexuality contradicts the very nature of human beings, there will never be a reassuring justification for it.

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Old 03-05-2015, 01:38 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I believe, as another poster said, that it is a psychological condition....or disturbance, which is probably a better word. The "choice" that comes into play is the choice between getting the help they need and allowing the disturbance to take control of their lives and lead them down the anti-social and destructive path that homosexuality is.
The beauty of America is you can believe whatever you like. But, IF you're going to put forth your beliefs as being factual, believing they are doesn't make them so.


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And yet millions buy into this ultimately silly "not a choice" notion, as though there were any evidence or reason to believe it other than they were told they must by the PC powers-that-be. In this bizarre PC era, which will be gone soon as quickly as it came, the population is dupable to levels never before seen.
Once again, you label one set of beliefs as a silly notion yet offer nothing factual making that anything but your belief.
 
Old 03-05-2015, 01:42 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Later in the thread I have explained how homosexuality even if it was genetic, would still be a defect from a biological standpoint. There is really no way out for LGBT people : no matter how you twist it, since homosexuality contradicts the very nature of human beings, there will never be an reassuring justification for it.
How so?

Isn't one facet of human nature finding someone to love? And IF you'd have us believe that only applies to finding someone you can procreate with I guess heterosexual couples where one or both partners are sterile must be contrary to 'human nature' too, eh?
 
Old 03-05-2015, 01:43 PM
 
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The beauty of America is you can believe whatever you like. But, IF you're going to put forth your beliefs as being factual, believing they are doesn't make them so.

Once again, you label one set of beliefs as a silly notion yet offer nothing factual making that anything but your belief.
Homosexuality has always been considered a mental condition until political correctness was forced on people.
 
Old 03-05-2015, 01:45 PM
 
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How so?

Isn't one facet of human nature finding someone to love? And IF you'd have us believe that only applies to finding someone you can procreate with I guess heterosexual couples where one or both partners are sterile must be contrary to 'human nature' too, eh?
This is a good example. Sterility is a condition. But both the male and the female engage in a behavior that is supposed to cause reproduction.
 
Old 03-05-2015, 01:47 PM
 
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Wrong, friend.

You are making a positive assertion. That homosexuals choose homosexuality. It's up to YOU to prove it.

Following my logic, if YOU said "God exists," it would be up to you to prove it.
Do you mean that you do not accept that homosexuality is innate ? Because that, I agree with.

I have previously provided a whole of arguments supporting my position. You can answer them in order.
 
Old 03-05-2015, 01:50 PM
 
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Homosexuality has always been considered a mental condition until political correctness was forced on people.
Actually, not true.

Homosexuality didn't even get a label until modern psychology. For thousands of years it was not considered a mental condition.
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