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Old 03-06-2015, 01:55 PM
 
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How many are looking for a job? I believe the unemployment rate is under 6%.
I understand if you don't want to or can't answer where they all will find a job.
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Old 03-06-2015, 01:58 PM
 
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It's like getting your dog to understand algebra is seems. Politicians can vote to end that tomorrow.



This isn't how it works. You do not have to prove yourself innocent to the government to avail yourself of their programs. You are innocent. Being that you are innocent and they have nothing to doubt that, they can not drug test you. Now, give them probable cause, they can.



Absolutely. Unfortunately that fight is going to be tough to win.
Your are not proving yourself innocent, you are proving yourself eligible...
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Old 03-06-2015, 02:01 PM
 
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They aren't a right. I never said they are. We can end them tomorrow if we want to. Any other arguments you want to make up for me?
So you don't think they are a right? In that case how do you see it differently than a drug test on a job application? I am trying to understand how you come to the conclusion that this is a compulsory search.
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Old 03-06-2015, 02:02 PM
 
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How about all federal employees?
Most public sector civil-service jobs are subject to drug screenings.
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Old 03-06-2015, 02:02 PM
 
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Your are not proving yourself innocent, you are proving yourself eligible...
Drugs are illegal. You are proving yourself guilty. The 5th Amendment strictly gives you the right to not do that.
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Old 03-06-2015, 02:03 PM
 
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So you don't think they are a right? In that case how do you see it differently than a drug test on a job application?
My god. Seriously? After I have answered this probably 10 times you have to ask again?
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Old 03-06-2015, 02:04 PM
 
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You haven't answered it since i've been here, just give me the page number and ill read it.
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Old 03-06-2015, 02:24 PM
 
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Drugs are illegal. You are proving yourself guilty. The 5th Amendment strictly gives you the right to not do that.
Show me where you explain how this is a constitutional issue while the job application drug test is not.
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Old 03-06-2015, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Drug use isn’t a problem of poverty; it’s found among all groups and classes.

If we are going to test all welfare applicants, it should also make sense that we test bailout-receiving bankers, defense contractors, tax supported homeowners, college students who are receiving scholarships, etc. Politicians are no strangers to drug use.

You also need to prove drug users do not deserve welfare. Not all drug users are lazy, many are willing to work.

In other words, if stopping waste is your goal, then drug screening should be mandatory for anyone receiving cash from the government, which—in one way or another—is most people.

Last edited by lilyflower3191981; 03-06-2015 at 02:47 PM..
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Old 03-06-2015, 03:12 PM
 
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Drug use isn’t a problem of poverty; it’s found among all groups and classes.

If we are going to test all welfare applicants, it should also make sense that we test bailout-receiving bankers, defense contractors, tax supported homeowners, college students who are receiving scholarships, etc. Politicians are no strangers to drug use.

You also need to prove drug users do not deserve welfare. Not all drug users are lazy, many are willing to work.

In other words, if stopping waste is your goal, then drug screening should be mandatory for anyone receiving cash from the government, which—in one way or another—is most people.
Deal.
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