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You do not have to be prevented from speaking to have your free speech rights violated.
Being punished for exercising those rights is also a violation of free speech rights.
No code of conduct can override constitutionally guaranteed rights.
Your logic is pretty circular. 'They were not expelled for singing a song they were expelled for creating a hostile environment, which they did by singing a song.'
Hunh?
Well said.
It's hard to decide whether some of the posters here are ignorant of things I knew when I was high school, or whether they are just trolling in the hopes of getting the clueless to join them.
I actually hope it's the latter.
If it's the former, then our public schools are much worse than I thought.
So you are suggesting a state employee can sing about lynching blacks or killing whites and keep his job?
Yeah...no.
You're mixing up employer-employee relations (not protected by the first amendment) with government punishment of U.S. citizens who are not employed by the government.
No other students were punished....so your argument kind of falls flat. If it was about singing the song, all of them would of faced discipline. So, no, its not "self-evident".
No other students were punished....so your argument kind of falls flat. If it was about singing the song, all of them would of faced discipline. So, no, its not "self-evident".
The university president said he would identify as many students as he could. He could only identify two of them. You can't discipline people you don't know about. So you are wrong yet again.
OU President Boren is a political savvy guy who's been around the block many a time, he wouldn't have made this move unless he was sure it was legally and ethically defensible.
Based upon the statements issued by Rice and by Petit's parents, I'd be VERY surprised if they fight the expulsions. Not everyone is lawsuit-crazy, they don't strike me as the type.
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Originally Posted by dechatelet
An arm of the government (a public university) cannot punish people in any way for singing racist songs or giving racist speeches.
Whether right or wrong (and I think you're wrong), it's a dead issue in this case because there will be no legal challenge.
The students were hollering racial verses which is a highly sensitive issue and has extremely bizzare origins albeit a questionable motivation ( forget the hate rant typical push
back ) the real problem is the threat it was a mythodically
organized subversive group with a agenda to dilute a race
to subliminally recruit more jackwagons. There is the door
bye then.
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Amazing how conservatives always come out the woodwork to defend the indefensible, ostensibly under the guise of defending constitutional rights. Always twisting and perverting laws to defend backwards practices/institutions. And liberals have no morals? We're the ones who lack common sense? Lol. I'm sure some "constitutional scholar" will come and attack me now, despite all evidence pointing that this is a perfectly warranted, and legal, move.
Most people have heard of the oklahoma university racist song by now. No one doubts that what these kids did was dumb and racist. But I read the school closed their frat, and they are now talking suspension or expulsion. The school president said they "abused" their free speech. Have we really gotten to the point where a public school can expel students for a non-threatening albeit racist song? It sounds unconstitutional to me.
Well, it isn't.
The Constitution simply says that Congress shall make no laws that infringe on free speech.
It says nothing about other non-governmental institutions punishing you for your speech. They can and frequently do.
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