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Old 03-14-2015, 11:09 AM
 
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It's a law that requires people to buy insurance, and is extremely costly for some while giving significant subsidies to others. Some people are WAY overcharged so that others can get significant price reductions for the exact same product.

And many people lost their long-time doctors because they weren't included in their new Obamacare plan.
1. Everyone contributes to public schools. Not everyone has children. Do you want to abolish public schools?

2. How about we remove the mandate and those without coverage lose the ability to get free care from Emergency facilities? I'd be fine with that. Pay nothing. But don't expect everyone else to pay to fix you when the bad thing happens.

I don't benefit from Obamacare because my income is too high but I want everyone to have health coverage so I'm fine with it.
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Old 03-14-2015, 11:10 AM
 
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It's a law that requires people to buy insurance, and is extremely costly for some while giving significant subsidies to others. Some people are WAY overcharged so that others can get significant price reductions for the exact same product.

And many people lost their long-time doctors because they weren't included in their new Obamacare plan.
Its not an Obama plan, its the nature of a particular insurance plan. Purchase premium coverage, don't lose your doctor. Pick an HMO, your doctor may not be on its provided pool of doctors. Its been that way for 30 years.
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Old 03-14-2015, 11:24 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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1. Everyone contributes to public schools. Not everyone has children. Do you want to abolish public schools?
No, I just think that EVERYONE should pay for Obamacare just like EVERYONE pays for public schools. No subsidies.
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Old 03-14-2015, 01:01 PM
 
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It comes down to Conservatives not caring for the uninsured, period. They had majority in all three branches not too long ago in the 2000's and they did NOTHING. At least the Clintons tried before hand. Im grateful Obama and the democrats did SOMETHING (I still think it didn't go far enough) to tackle our uninsured problem.
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Old 03-14-2015, 01:07 PM
 
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Now there's Millions without healthcare.
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Would love to see you prove this.
Are you really this uninformed?

CBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured | CNS News
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Old 03-14-2015, 01:08 PM
 
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Let's just hope no one you love every gets sick and doesn't have coverage.
CBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured | CNS News
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Old 03-14-2015, 01:15 PM
 
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It comes down to Conservatives not caring for the uninsured, period.
No, it comes down to people who make extremely bad life and financial decisions always wanting someone else to bail them out.

Think very carefully about this... We have WAY too many takers, now. Only 40% of all federal income tax filers are supporting themselves and everyone else. Only the top 40% pays more in local, state, and federal taxes than they consume in local, state, and federal government services and benefits. That's roughly 54.4 million (40% of all filed tax returns) supporting themselves and the U.S.'s population of 320 million. Think about it... only 17% of us are supporting ourselves and everyone else, and that percentage is shrinking. It's simply NOT sustainable. Period.

Caveat: I have no problem supporting the truly incapacitated
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Old 03-14-2015, 01:23 PM
 
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It comes down to Conservatives not caring for the uninsured, period. They had majority in all three branches not too long ago in the 2000's and they did NOTHING. At least the Clintons tried before hand. Im grateful Obama and the democrats did SOMETHING (I still think it didn't go far enough) to tackle our uninsured problem.
CBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured | CNS News

If you cared about the uninsured, you should OPPOSE ACA and call it the failure that it is.
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Old 03-14-2015, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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No, it comes down to people who make extremely bad life and financial decisions always wanting someone else to bail them out.

Think very carefully about this... We have WAY too many takers, now. Only 40% of all federal income tax filers are supporting themselves and everyone else. Only the top 40% pays more in local, state, and federal taxes than they consume in local, state, and federal government services and benefits. That's roughly 54.4 million (40% of all filed tax returns) supporting themselves and the U.S.'s population of 320 million. Think about it... only 17% of us are supporting ourselves and everyone else, and that percentage is shrinking. It's simply NOT sustainable. Period.

Caveat: I have no problem supporting the truly incapacitated
Come on Informed.... Haven't you learned that talking sense to some is futile? They'd much rather set back and give the old "Your greedy and uncaring" speech than ever admit that they can't actually come up with a good argument let alone a good solution with why it's okay to take more of your money?
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Old 03-14-2015, 07:33 PM
 
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CBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured | CNS News

If you cared about the uninsured, you should OPPOSE ACA and call it the failure that it is.
1. I guessed you missed the part where I said the ACA didn't go far enough.
2. That 30 million figure includes illegal immigrants and individuals eligible for medicaid but no enrolled.
3. Excluding unauthorized immigration, the ACA will cover 92 percent of Americans by 2022.
4. The uninsured rate would be lower if conservative states put aside political ideology and expanded medicaid. About 5 million less uninsured.

Sorry but I prefer the ACA than what we had before.
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