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Not sure how this will have uninformed voters casting ballots, all it does is just register people to vote, you still have to actually vote during elections.
As you said.
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Originally Posted by urbanlife78
In Oregon, registering to vote when you get your photo ID makes it so you will be getting a ballot by mail every election.
So, you go to your mailbox, pull out the ballot, check the straight ticket option, put it back in the pre-paid envelop and back into the mailbox.
Yeah, I can't see any uniformed voter doing that.
Additionally, I can see two other things occurring. The first thing I can see is political operatives walking neighborhoods and knocking on doors the day the ballots arrive and influencing votes.
The other thing is I can see people walking around and grabbing ballots out of mailboxes, checking off the votes and mailing them back.
If everyone essentially is receiving a ballot in the mailbox on known days and there is no way to validate that the person who votes with it and mails it back in, what kind of confidence will there be in such a system?
So, you go to your mailbox, pull out the ballot, check the straight ticket option, put it back in the pre-paid envelop and back into the mailbox.
Yeah, I can't see any uniformed voter doing that.
Additionally, I can see two other things occurring. The first thing I can see is political operatives walking neighborhoods and knocking on doors the day the ballots arrive and influencing votes.
The other thing is I can see people walking around and grabbing ballots out of mailboxes, checking off the votes and mailing them back.
If everyone essentially is receiving a ballot in the mailbox on known days and there is no way to validate that the person who votes with it and mails it back in, what kind of confidence will there be in such a system?
If you want to do that, sure, but how is that any different than stopping by your local voting booth and checking the straight ticket option? Though I don't believe Oregon ballots have a straight ticket option, you have to actually fill out each and every vote rather than say Republican or Democrat and be done with it.
Only 11 states allow straight ticket option on their ballots, and almost all 11 are states that go Republican. That should tell you something.
Oregonians have had no issue with the way we vote, not sure why you would think that would be a problem.
Also, no one goes door to door when ballots are mailed out to try to influence votes here, there are better forms to do that, such as flooding media markets with advertising.
If you want to do that, sure, but how is that any different than stopping by your local voting booth and checking the straight ticket option? Though I don't believe Oregon ballots have a straight ticket option, you have to actually fill out each and every vote rather than say Republican or Democrat and be done with it.
Only 11 states allow straight ticket option on their ballots, and almost all 11 are states that go Republican. That should tell you something.
Egads...thats...horrific. Seriously...just click a box to vote straight R or D?
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Oregonians have had no issue with the way we vote, not sure why you would think that would be a problem.
Actually I think most of us that I have talked to are pretty happy about it.
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Also, no one goes door to door when ballots are mailed out to try to influence votes here, there are better forms to do that, such as flooding media markets with advertising.
Not true actually, I had one of our local Republicans doing that. Had a pretty reasonable chat with him, and even voted for him. He lost horrifically, but he answered my questions at my door pretty well. I was impressed by him, and his statements.
So, you go to your mailbox, pull out the ballot, check the straight ticket option, put it back in the pre-paid envelop and back into the mailbox.
Yeah, I can't see any uniformed voter doing that.
Additionally, I can see two other things occurring. The first thing I can see is political operatives walking neighborhoods and knocking on doors the day the ballots arrive and influencing votes.
The other thing is I can see people walking around and grabbing ballots out of mailboxes, checking off the votes and mailing them back.
If everyone essentially is receiving a ballot in the mailbox on known days and there is no way to validate that the person who votes with it and mails it back in, what kind of confidence will there be in such a system?
You mean people committing crimes, like mail theft, etc? Well if they do that to someone like me, I will review my cameras to see if anyone took my ballot because I DO vote.....and then have that person arrested.
So far its not been a problem. Probably because there are laws against it.
Not true actually, I had one of our local Republicans doing that. Had a pretty reasonable chat with him, and even voted for him. He lost horrifically, but he answered my questions at my door pretty well. I was impressed by him, and his statements.
Interested, I have never experienced that in the years I have lived here. But there is nothing wrong with politicians getting out there and trying to answer the questions from the voters.
Interested, I have never experienced that in the years I have lived here. But there is nothing wrong with politicians getting out there and trying to answer the questions from the voters.
Trying to remember the guys name, he used to be a DA, and we had a conversation about who we prosecute, and why. I fact checked his responses later, and he was dead on honest with me.
Maybe Oregon should allow the option of automatic straight ticket voting for all residents as well.
Let's make it so voting takes no effort at all.
What level of effort ought we require people to exert in order to exercise their right to vote? Maybe we should make them pass a test or something?
For the record, I'm against straight-ticket voting, as I am a person who has very strong and specific interests in the issues debated by candidates for the local dog-catching office.
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