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Old 03-21-2015, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Texas
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He won't even get on his own agenda, that he stated he would....

Carry on!

I dunno, chuck...

Seems the right wing has been up and barking continuously about the Obama agenda for years now.

And the Pubs keep twisting themselves into pretzels trying to block it.

Carry on.

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Old 03-21-2015, 10:15 AM
 
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I dunno, chuck...

Seems the right wing has been up and barking continuously about the Obama agenda for years now.

And the Pubs keep twisting themselves into pretzels trying to block it.

Carry on.

Well, we can start with the most transparent blah blah blah....hows that working for ya? He did say that, right? <<<< That's rhetorical BTW...everyone knows what he said...

Yea, it sucks when you have opposition to stupid stuff that you want....

But hey, he does have a pen and phone....maybe he can continue to do that and secure the repub presidency in 2016...

Carry on!

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I dunno....


We always knew that....
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Old 03-21-2015, 11:45 AM
 
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You do realize that investigations of wrongdoing at any level in any location involve extracting information from uncooperative suspects or colleagues/witnesses who have incriminating info.

How are so many able to succeed when the congressional investigations have shown themselves to be unproductive witch hunts?

Could very well be that it's a phony scandal, useful to Pubs for some childish mudslinging, which is why they persist without producing any results. Their unsubstantiated allegations keep many Obamaphobes foaming at the mouth, which very well may be the GOP's objective. In that sense, it's working.
Why shouldn't Mexican Lives matter? All this is, is a diversion to minimize Mexican Lives to protect Obama.


Stop diverting the blame around:

Obama CHOSE to LIE about his gun program.
Obama CHOSE to FALSELY BLAME BUSH for his own gun program.
Obama CHOSE to use EXECUTIVE ORDERS to STOP Investigations.
HOLDER CHOSE to LIE to Congress while under Oath.

It is sickening that you look at hundreds of people shot with Obama's guns and say it is a phony scandal. I realize that you just think they are mostly Mexicans so it doesn't matter, but if one of your loved ones were shot with an Obama gun, I bet you aren't sheep and callous enough to keep excusing it away as phony - it would become real to you at that point.
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Old 03-21-2015, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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So, with the GOP now in full control of both houses of congress and the supreme court, is there a good reason why they can't get to the bottom of this?
Ummm "they" would scream racism at the top of their lungs.
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Old 03-21-2015, 12:37 PM
 
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I don't know enough beyond the basics of what the program was and what it did. It sounds pretty dicey. But, it is just a drop in the bucket with all the guns in the USA. I agree with the OP that there are too many guns. The ATF sold to the Mexican Cartels and that sounds like a bad idea but you have to understand that the cartels would have bought from someone else. Maybe misguided, but at least we had more control over who was buying the guns. Had the ATF not been involved - it wouldn't of mattered. The same murders would have occurred.

Why haven't the Republicans found anything illegal? I'm thinking this is just a witch hunt like all the other accusations. Meh...
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Old 03-21-2015, 12:47 PM
 
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Obama wants to destabilize Mexico to increase the flow of illegals coming to America so that he can grant them amnesty, which will pave the way for more votes for Democrats. Obama did say that he wanted to fundamentally change America. I took it that people thought he was serious.
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Old 03-21-2015, 12:48 PM
 
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It is not just in Mexico either.

Obama's Fast and Furious Guns have been found at least at 12 different violent crime scenes in the US, however, president Obama has used executive orders to obfuscate further counting of this number.

Nonetheless, Obama has not been able to cover up all Fast and Furious violent activity here in the US. A Public Records lawsuit revealed that a 2013 shooting in Phoenix was with one of Obama's guns.


Why did Obama lie about Fast and Furious and falsely blame it on Bush?

Why has Barack "Transparency" Obama used Executive Privilege to conceal this multiple times?

Why did Eric Holder lie to congress about the Obama Administration's Gun Running Program?

Why do Democrats insist that this is a phony scandal as if Mexican lives (and even American lives) don't matter?

Some estimate there are still over 1,000 Obama guns floating around the US and Mexico...how many future victims will there be from Obama's guns? Will it matter if they are Mexican victims?
You do know that this practice began in 2006 under Bush right? This was a Bush administration program, not an Obama program.

Also, it wasn't until Obama came into office that the Justice Department started pursuing indictments with the information they were collecting. That means that the whole time the Bush team was selling guns to drug cartels they simply didn't do anything with the information.

ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now that you have some facts, ask yourself who is really responsible for this clearly failed policy.
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Old 03-21-2015, 12:57 PM
 
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Obama wants to destabilize Mexico to increase the flow of illegals coming to America so that he can grant them amnesty, which will pave the way for more votes for Democrats. Obama did say that he wanted to fundamentally change America. I took it that people thought he was serious.
You're funny!!!
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Old 03-21-2015, 01:31 PM
 
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So, with the GOP now in full control of both houses of congress and the supreme court, is there a good reason why they can't get to the bottom of this?
How do you figure that the GOP is now in full control of the supreme court? Where did you come by this information? The court sided with Obama on the ACA that every single GOP representative voted against, but your contention is that the GOP fully controls the court? Seriously?
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Old 03-21-2015, 01:33 PM
 
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You do know that this practice began in 2006 under Bush right? This was a Bush administration program, not an Obama program.

Also, it wasn't until Obama came into office that the Justice Department started pursuing indictments with the information they were collecting. That means that the whole time the Bush team was selling guns to drug cartels they simply didn't do anything with the information.

ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now that you have some facts, ask yourself who is really responsible for this clearly failed policy.
Obama is hottttttttt, I get it.

Your own link points out that Obama had the largest gun running program - bigger than Bush's by about 5 times. Assault rifles for drug cartels!!! Juarez needs more guns!


Didn't track them.

Bush is bad, the fact that you always have to mention Bush to try and absolve Obama from his own actions, should let you know that Obama = Bush.


Obama's administration chose to give significantly more guns to drug lords.
Obama chose to lie and blame Fast and Furious on Bush.
Obama chose to use executive orders to block transparency.
Eric Holder lied to Congress under Oath.


Mexicans have died and will continue dying and all you can do is blame Obama's actions on Bush.

Why don't Mexican Lives matter to you?

Why don't Mexican Lives matter to Obama who is obstructing transparency?

Obama > Bush at killing Mexicans. Both pathetic, one worse.
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