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2. Record numbers of citizens unemployed (gee.......... isn't that the REAL NUMBER?)
3. Record numbers of citizens living in poverty (is that what democrats consider progress?)
4. Record numbers of citizens on food stamps (more dependents= more democrats)
5. Personal incomes down 7% since Obama took office (hooray- everyone wants to be poor!)
6. Personal net worth and savings down 40% (retirement is now a pipe dream).
7. Most jobs created are part time (wonderful if you like working at Burger King)
8. National debt has skyrocketed - Obama has added more debt than any other president
9. Personal credit debt is at record levels.
Liberal lunacy. It brings to mind what Churchill said about capitalism and socialism:
"The greatest failing of capitalism is not uniformly distributing wealth and prosperity among all citizens. The greatest virtue of socialism is equally spreading the misery of society uniformly among all of its citizens."
Obama has succeeded in making everyone more miserable (except for the 1%) and thus has achieved his socialist goal. Only a fool would embrace such results and policy, unless they pine for deprivation and despair.
Winston Churchill is a poor one to quote about Socialism and Capitalism for Sir Winston was voted out of the Prime Ministership in July 1945 less than two months after celebrating British Victory in the War in Europe. He was replaced by Clement Attlee and his Socialist Labour Party which launched Britian on a Socialist lead economic and national policies that saw the creation of Housing Councils to build public housing through out Britain largely to replace housing destroyed by the German Blitz and to replace slums dating back to the time of Charles Dickens. The Nationalization of heavy industry (i.e British Steel, British Petroleum etc ) to rebuild a shattered economy still suffering from that War , Transport (British Rail, London Transport etc) Utilities (Central Electricity Generating Board. The Gas Board etc) , The National Health Service and Public Comprehensive schools. The election of 1945 saw the first majority Labour Government in Britain.
Socialists should thank Sir Winston for being tone deaf to the suffering of the British people and making it possible for the Labour Party of Attlee and Bevan to take over and have a free hand in creating modern Socialist Britain.
Oh, well that's easy.Bush was immeasurably better than Obama on any number of levels, not the least of which is that Bush loves America, Obama doesn't (he has spent his entire life criticizing America and working toward it's destruction).
George Bush so loved America he ignored warnings of terrorist attacks in 2001 and saw thousands of his beloved Americans killed on 9/11. He showed his love by getting even more Americans killed in Afganistan and Iraq and tens of thousands more crippled for the rest of their lives! This may be his and your definition of loving this nation, but it isn't mine.
Recently Ted Cruz told his audience "The whole world is on fire!" while screeching his, by now entirely too typical, party line to the faithful.
I can only surmise he was talking about the Middle East, which still is smoldering from the Bush/Cheney era.
You can't judge the quality of American life based on a select group of statistics. Yes, Obama has done some good things, and any conservative who tried to argue he's done nothing well is too bias to be taken seriously (and I would say the same about a liberal who claimed Bush did nothing good), but that doesn't mean everything is good. We have to look at everything, and unfortunately, we can't express every issue in numbers. Infrastructure is a pressing issue, in my opinion, yet we don't have numbers to back that up. We don't have a stat saying 80% of bridges are collapsing because a lot of things are on a case by case basis (a method that I think has better results than looking at overall numbers).
Things have changed, but change is not synonymous with improvement, especially in such a diverse nation like America. Obamacare is a great example; a reasonably idea in theory that is not having fair results. I know someone who, at one point, was only paying $5 a month of health insurance under Obamacare. That's crazy, and great for the people who are in that position. But there are a lot of people who's health insurance costs have gone up, even doubling for some (and having no change in the quality of care available). It's great that less people are uninsured, but how do we address this problem?
America still has a lot to clean up, and unfortunately, every time we "solve" a problem, we create two more.
My point: you can't measure every aspect of success with a single graphic of very cherry picked information.
Those two together say growth in the top end not the bottom.
And that is what set up the crash. Debt was used to cover the loss in bottom end income until it got unsustainable. And it is coming all over again. not the way it plaid out last time. But different.
no, what it says is that there were tax cuts created and expanded at the bottom end which reduced their tax liabilities to zero, and often times negative which means people who didnt pay, got refunds anyways.
There was no loss at the bottom to the federal reserve because federal revenues climbed.
Transfer the tax burden from the main street economy to the wall street economy. Let the paper trades pay the bills.
oooh you're one of THOSE.. who somehow think jobs get created without companies borrowing to build factories and such.
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Originally Posted by ContrarianEcon
A 2% tax on the principle of debt would get you 860 billion in revenue with not taxing the governments own debt. That would run a surplus.
no, no it wouldnt. It would just push companies to fund their paper elsewhere in order to avoid paying 2% fee. They'd just move their stocks to Canadian stock exchange for example.
And say for example, they dont move to other countries, you dont think they'd raise their prices to offset the added cost and thus harming the middle class and poor? Do you REALLY think the "rich" will just sit back and pay for it?
my god.. one of the dumbest things I've ever heard..
George Bush so loved America he ignored warnings of terrorist attacks in 2001 and saw thousands of his beloved Americans killed on 9/11. He showed his love by getting even more Americans killed in Afganistan and Iraq and tens of thousands more crippled for the rest of their lives! This may be his and your definition of loving this nation, but it isn't mine.
Oh please.. there were warnings almost daily that we were going to be attacked. I'm sure Obama gets warnings just as well.
How are you going to know what warning is valid and what ones arent? Please cite for me what made "that" warning, different than the rest which entailed the exact same information..
Oh please.. there were warnings almost daily that we were going to be attacked. I'm sure Obama gets warnings just as well.
How are you going to know what warning is valid and what ones arent? Please cite for me what made "that" warning, different than the rest which entailed the exact same information..
I'll wait
Receiving these warnings and choosing to do simple things to stop them is what the job of President is all about. It is more than spending half of his time vacationing in Crawford. The least they could have done was ask the FBI to check out odd reports of a few Middle Easterners who had no connections to the airlines of their nations taking flight training to fly wide body jets. Reports that actually came from the flight training schools. They also could have asked the CIA and NSA to listen to the chatter on the Internet that Bin Laden was determined to strike the USA. Increased chatter like before other Al Queda attacks in East Africa and the USS Cole was reported to the White House July 7 2001 but the little witch Bush made National Security Advisor ignored it for she was busy trying to provoke fights with China and Russia. Why didn't anyone flag the tens of thousands of dollars being sent to known Al Oueda agents like Mohammed Atta and the other Al Queda team leaders. They could have also told the FAA to issue a Notice to Airlines to tighten up security and flag one way bookings by Egyptian, Persian Gulf Emirates, Lebanese, Pakistani Palestinian, Yemeni, Sudanese, Somali, Libyan and Saudi nationals. Just locking cockpit doors before take-off and putting a pair of US Marshals with stun guns in First class might have made all the difference. 9/11/2001 could have been just another bright sunny late summer day along the US Eastern seaboard.
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