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Old 03-25-2015, 09:23 AM
J24
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Before you Republicans get all enthused about Mr. Christi I strongly suggest you investigate his potential ties to New Jersey and New York organized crime. The "bridgegate" fiasco was all about which mob got the rake off from building the condos near the exit. Check him out very, very carefully.
I think you've been watching too many conspiracy theory YouTube videos. At least Christie had the backbone to hold those responsible accountable, unlike our humble leader. He fired the people who he found to be involved. Have you seen Obama holding anyone in his administration accountable? I don't want to speculate, but I doubt Hillary would either.

I don't think Christie will ever win the GOP nomination, simply because he's farrrr too moderate to please the far right, but if by some act of God he were able to, he'd have my vote. I actually like his very straight forward, no BS, tell it how it is attitude. I guess a lot of people are turned off by that, but in American politics, I find it a bit refreshing.

Jeb would make a great president. The key there is would. He'll also never get the votes because he's a Bush. If the GOP puts him on the ticket, they're giving the election away. I'm a moderate conservative and I really like Jeb, but even I don't like the idea of having families with so much power. I'm not a fan of dynasties. For that reason, I hope Jeb and the GOP realizes that people aren't going to elect another Bush. Period.
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Old 03-25-2015, 09:31 AM
 
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I will be voting 3rd party again myself.


I have never understood how anyone can take the time to vote, yet essentially being throwing it away at the same time.
You may feel principled, but at the end of the day no one cares. The only time people who voted 3rd party have any effect, is in a close election to where they have likely spoiled the chances of the candidate they most closely align with.
That is why most pragmatic people vote in the primaries for the person they like the most, but at the end of the day, vote for the lesser of two evils in the general election.
In some cases we have a real choice and can get behind a candidate we are enthusiastic about. However even if it were a choice between a RINO & DINO, one of the two are going to more closely align with your beliefs and still have a chance to win.

Voting 3rd party is just an exercise in futility.
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Old 03-25-2015, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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I am a politically active Democrat that is looking forward to the coming campaign. I am not committed to the Hillary because I do not like her policies or her overbearing attitude. I believe she is a self centered egomaniac (redundant, I know) that believes she knows more then she actually does. IMHO she is the ultimate neo-conservative candidate. I will not be supporting her in the primaries. I do not know who I will support as the campaigns are barely started.

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So I am looking for a non Hillary Democrat. I expect to find one but not in the near future.
I'm a small-r Republican voter. I usually vote R just because I find most of their policies less bad than most Dem ones....but there is plenty I don't agree with there too. I would vote for a good Dem candidate over a poor R one. I just don't see that with Hillary.

I do think that the Dem candidate will be female, largely because that seems to be the current MSM cause. Do you know any good, viable female Dems other than her? Or Warren-she's just too much of a nut-makes Palin look like a genius.
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Old 03-25-2015, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I have to wonder why all the excitement about a Hillary presidential run. I mean, as corrupt, arrogant and incompetent as she has proven herself to be, no one, not even the most partisan Democratic hack, could possibly vote for her. I mean...no one is that uninformed or outright ignorant.

Her main qualification to be president? I guess it's because she used to sleep with a president. Well...so did Monica but I don't see her claiming that makes her executive material. And what does that say about her in the first place? Clinging to a sexual predator just to be in a position of power?

After Billy's presidency she loads up her carpet bag and heads to NY state, where low-information voters elect someone as a senator with no experience or ties to their state. Now...what exactly did she do in her terms as senator? Any signature legislation to hold up as examples of leadership?

She gets the crumb of Sec State after losing the Democratic primary to perhaps the one candidate less qualified for the position. And exactly what were her accomplishments there? Well, for one she ran under sniper fire into a meeting...oh wait, that was a lie. Well, she helped negotiate a peaceful transition of power in a Middle Eastern country. What one was that again? She analyzed the situation in the ME and warned the president about the growth of Suni radicals and an Islamic State. Oh wait...no she didn't.

Well, lets look at what she got right. She addressed the failing government and rise of terrorist organizations in Yemin, and took steps to up security at State Dept facilities there. Oh, wait, wrong again. Well, at least when a a US embassy came under attack she reacted to reinforce it and protect and secure our Ambassador. What? Wrong again? You mean she actually did nothing and was responsible for the deaths of 4 Americans under her watch?

Well, at least as smart and qualified as she is, and as exemplary a SS and as knowledgeable as she is in her area of responsibility, she was aware that the attack was due to the rising power and success of Islamic terrorists in the region. I mean...as Sec State, that's a pretty basic part of her job. What? She thought it was over an old Youtube video? Nah, you're kidding, right?

Well, she at least offered condolences to the families of the men that died under her watch, right? Oh wait, when questioned about their deaths, she responds with "What difference does it make anyway?". Nah, I can't buy that. No one is that arrogant and insensitive to the loss of someone's loved ones.

Well...maybe she was a lousy Sec State, but she is at least a good administrator, right? One that streamlines a bureaucracy, ensures things are run according to acceptable practices and ensures accountability and transparency within her realm, right? What? She ignored rules in place, set up an unsecured, personal email server to circumvent the required record retention policies of the department? Not likely, certainly someone as tech savy as Ms. Clinton realized that she could access more than one email account on her iPhone and used that one only for personal business and used the secure, government one for work, right? She wouldn't use an unsecured, personal email system for classified work for the US government. No one is that stupid, right? What? No-you gotta be kidding.

Really, what would make even the most dedicated, and perhaps ignorant, Democrat possibly think that this woman was even remotely qualified or capable of being president? Her career has been a history of corruption, incompetence, lies and arrogance. She wouldn't even make a good mafia thug. You can do better. There are actually Democrats with a history of accomplishment, with abilities, and that are actually likeable, that show sparks of leadership ability. I'd like to see one of them become the Democratic front runner. Regardless of party I'd like to see the best this country has to offer run for president. But Hillary? She sure ain't it. And in spite of what you believe, I don't think the rest of the electorate is stupid enough to vote for her. Unless the Rs are dumb enough to give the nod to Bushie III, I don't think she stands a chance. We've had enough of bumbling incompetents of both parties in office for the last 20+ years.
That's an impressive screed.

Hillary has quite a few flaws, it's true. And I'm no Clinton fan, having never voted for either of them. But she's rational, which is something few among the GOP hopefuls can claim. And the one (Jeb) who is gets pummeled by the chorus of snarling wingnuts all clamoring for facetime.

I'll watch with great interest because I think the next year and a half will prove to be wonderful political entertainment.
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Old 03-25-2015, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I have to wonder why all the excitement about a Hillary presidential run. I mean, as corrupt, arrogant and incompetent as she has proven herself to be, no one, not even the most partisan Democratic hack, could possibly vote for her. I mean...no one is that uninformed or outright ignorant.

Her main qualification to be president? I guess it's because she used to sleep with a president. Well...so did Monica but I don't see her claiming that makes her executive material. And what does that say about her in the first place? Clinging to a sexual predator just to be in a position of power?

After Billy's presidency she loads up her carpet bag and heads to NY state, where low-information voters elect someone as a senator with no experience or ties to their state. Now...what exactly did she do in her terms as senator? Any signature legislation to hold up as examples of leadership?

She gets the crumb of Sec State after losing the Democratic primary to perhaps the one candidate less qualified for the position. And exactly what were her accomplishments there? Well, for one she ran under sniper fire into a meeting...oh wait, that was a lie. Well, she helped negotiate a peaceful transition of power in a Middle Eastern country. What one was that again? She analyzed the situation in the ME and warned the president about the growth of Suni radicals and an Islamic State. Oh wait...no she didn't.

Well, lets look at what she got right. She addressed the failing government and rise of terrorist organizations in Yemin, and took steps to up security at State Dept facilities there. Oh, wait, wrong again. Well, at least when a a US embassy came under attack she reacted to reinforce it and protect and secure our Ambassador. What? Wrong again? You mean she actually did nothing and was responsible for the deaths of 4 Americans under her watch?

Well, at least as smart and qualified as she is, and as exemplary a SS and as knowledgeable as she is in her area of responsibility, she was aware that the attack was due to the rising power and success of Islamic terrorists in the region. I mean...as Sec State, that's a pretty basic part of her job. What? She thought it was over an old Youtube video? Nah, you're kidding, right?

Well, she at least offered condolences to the families of the men that died under her watch, right? Oh wait, when questioned about their deaths, she responds with "What difference does it make anyway?". Nah, I can't buy that. No one is that arrogant and insensitive to the loss of someone's loved ones.

Well...maybe she was a lousy Sec State, but she is at least a good administrator, right? One that streamlines a bureaucracy, ensures things are run according to acceptable practices and ensures accountability and transparency within her realm, right? What? She ignored rules in place, set up an unsecured, personal email server to circumvent the required record retention policies of the department? Not likely, certainly someone as tech savy as Ms. Clinton realized that she could access more than one email account on her iPhone and used that one only for personal business and used the secure, government one for work, right? She wouldn't use an unsecured, personal email system for classified work for the US government. No one is that stupid, right? What? No-you gotta be kidding.

Really, what would make even the most dedicated, and perhaps ignorant, Democrat possibly think that this woman was even remotely qualified or capable of being president? Her career has been a history of corruption, incompetence, lies and arrogance. She wouldn't even make a good mafia thug. You can do better. There are actually Democrats with a history of accomplishment, with abilities, and that are actually likeable, that show sparks of leadership ability. I'd like to see one of them become the Democratic front runner. Regardless of party I'd like to see the best this country has to offer run for president. But Hillary? She sure ain't it. And in spite of what you believe, I don't think the rest of the electorate is stupid enough to vote for her. Unless the Rs are dumb enough to give the nod to Bushie III, I don't think she stands a chance. We've had enough of bumbling incompetents of both parties in office for the last 20+ years.
You must be very concerned about her since you wrote a huge post trying to tear her down.

I don't think she has any chance either, which is why I don't spend any time thinking about her.
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Old 03-25-2015, 09:45 AM
 
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I have to wonder why all the excitement about a Hillary presidential run. I mean, as corrupt, arrogant and incompetent as she has proven herself to be, no one, not even the most partisan Democratic hack, could possibly vote for her. I mean...no one is that uninformed or outright ignorant.

Her main qualification to be president? I guess it's because she used to sleep with a president. Well...so did Monica but I don't see her claiming that makes her executive material. And what does that say about her in the first place? Clinging to a sexual predator just to be in a position of power?

After Billy's presidency she loads up her carpet bag and heads to NY state, where low-information voters elect someone as a senator with no experience or ties to their state. Now...what exactly did she do in her terms as senator? Any signature legislation to hold up as examples of leadership?

She gets the crumb of Sec State after losing the Democratic primary to perhaps the one candidate less qualified for the position. And exactly what were her accomplishments there? Well, for one she ran under sniper fire into a meeting...oh wait, that was a lie. Well, she helped negotiate a peaceful transition of power in a Middle Eastern country. What one was that again? She analyzed the situation in the ME and warned the president about the growth of Suni radicals and an Islamic State. Oh wait...no she didn't.

Well, lets look at what she got right. She addressed the failing government and rise of terrorist organizations in Yemin, and took steps to up security at State Dept facilities there. Oh, wait, wrong again. Well, at least when a a US embassy came under attack she reacted to reinforce it and protect and secure our Ambassador. What? Wrong again? You mean she actually did nothing and was responsible for the deaths of 4 Americans under her watch?

Well, at least as smart and qualified as she is, and as exemplary a SS and as knowledgeable as she is in her area of responsibility, she was aware that the attack was due to the rising power and success of Islamic terrorists in the region. I mean...as Sec State, that's a pretty basic part of her job. What? She thought it was over an old Youtube video? Nah, you're kidding, right?

Well, she at least offered condolences to the families of the men that died under her watch, right? Oh wait, when questioned about their deaths, she responds with "What difference does it make anyway?". Nah, I can't buy that. No one is that arrogant and insensitive to the loss of someone's loved ones.

Well...maybe she was a lousy Sec State, but she is at least a good administrator, right? One that streamlines a bureaucracy, ensures things are run according to acceptable practices and ensures accountability and transparency within her realm, right? What? She ignored rules in place, set up an unsecured, personal email server to circumvent the required record retention policies of the department? Not likely, certainly someone as tech savy as Ms. Clinton realized that she could access more than one email account on her iPhone and used that one only for personal business and used the secure, government one for work, right? She wouldn't use an unsecured, personal email system for classified work for the US government. No one is that stupid, right? What? No-you gotta be kidding.

Really, what would make even the most dedicated, and perhaps ignorant, Democrat possibly think that this woman was even remotely qualified or capable of being president? Her career has been a history of corruption, incompetence, lies and arrogance. She wouldn't even make a good mafia thug. You can do better. There are actually Democrats with a history of accomplishment, with abilities, and that are actually likeable, that show sparks of leadership ability. I'd like to see one of them become the Democratic front runner. Regardless of party I'd like to see the best this country has to offer run for president. But Hillary? She sure ain't it. And in spite of what you believe, I don't think the rest of the electorate is stupid enough to vote for her. Unless the Rs are dumb enough to give the nod to Bushie III, I don't think she stands a chance. We've had enough of bumbling incompetents of both parties in office for the last 20+ years.

I disagree.

Haven't you seen the old Hammer vampire movies of the '60s? You can put stakes through thier hearts, burn them, shoot them, and even melt them with the sun and they just seem to keep coming back.

The Clintons are unscrupulous, corrupt power merchants who will never go away as long as there is a buck in politics.

I would not be surprised at all in the future if we had Chelsea in the arena, scamming and sticking up the US public as another Clinton politician.
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Old 03-25-2015, 10:02 AM
 
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I said she'd nevet make it out of Iowa from the start.
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Old 03-25-2015, 10:07 AM
 
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I think you've been watching too many conspiracy theory YouTube videos. At least Christie had the backbone to hold those responsible accountable, unlike our humble leader. He fired the people who he found to be involved. Have you seen Obama holding anyone in his administration accountable? I don't want to speculate, but I doubt Hillary would either.

I don't think Christie will ever win the GOP nomination, simply because he's farrrr too moderate to please the far right, but if by some act of God he were able to, he'd have my vote. I actually like his very straight forward, no BS, tell it how it is attitude. I guess a lot of people are turned off by that, but in American politics, I find it a bit refreshing.

Jeb would make a great president. The key there is would. He'll also never get the votes because he's a Bush. If the GOP puts him on the ticket, they're giving the election away. I'm a moderate conservative and I really like Jeb, but even I don't like the idea of having families with so much power. I'm not a fan of dynasties. For that reason, I hope Jeb and the GOP realizes that people aren't going to elect another Bush. Period.
I understand your views and I am not really a fan of dynasties myself, but that being said I am willing to give Jeb a chance. He's his own man, he's not his brother George W and he is not is father Pappy/George H W. The fact that he is moderate enough and more or less totally bilingual will help draw in Hispanic voters ... we are toast unless we can get 40% of the Hispanic vote. Scott Walker has proven himself to be a flipflopper and he can't be trusted. Everyone else is too extremist - Ted Cruz and the like.

Bush is literally the only Republican in the race who COULD pull it off and beat The Hildabeast. Everyone else is stuck in the dust.
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Old 03-25-2015, 10:12 AM
 
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I'm a Dem and I hope this is true.
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Old 03-25-2015, 11:03 AM
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I understand your views and I am not really a fan of dynasties myself, but that being said I am willing to give Jeb a chance. He's his own man, he's not his brother George W and he is not is father Pappy/George H W. The fact that he is moderate enough and more or less totally bilingual will help draw in Hispanic voters ... we are toast unless we can get 40% of the Hispanic vote. Scott Walker has proven himself to be a flipflopper and he can't be trusted. Everyone else is too extremist - Ted Cruz and the like.

Bush is literally the only Republican in the race who COULD pull it off and beat The Hildabeast. Everyone else is stuck in the dust.
I agree 100% that he's his own man and not his brother or father... but you and I are looking at the person. The majority of America is going to be looking at his last name and making their mind up. I'd give him a chance, and if he were on the ticket I would vote for him. I just think it would be a mistake for the party because I would be blown away if he could get 51% of the votes for President.

Personally, I'd choose Jeb over any of the other potential GOP candidates (though I do like Rubio). I don't like the extreme far rights like Cruz. I just don't see the rest of the country jumping on board...
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