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Old 04-07-2015, 10:38 AM
 
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Not at all. Any manner of contracts/loans, etc., can be entered into between unmarried parties: friends, siblings, parent/child, etc., all can incur joint liability on a jointly entered-into contract.
Any manner of contracts can be entered into between unmarried parties, even unmarried parties sleeping together, regardless of their sexual orientation.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:39 AM
 
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No, it isn't. The very basis of the HL ruling is what specifically applies to closely held businesses. SCOTUS ruled that such business owners retain their First Amendment rights above any other law, as long as the goods/services in dispute can be obtained in a less-restrictive manner. And that certainly is the case for wedding goods/services.
The basis is whether the business can be compelled to PAY for something. So, irrelevant.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:40 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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"SQUAWK Hobby Lobby SQUAWK!!!"
Funny, because you can't refute it.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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That's not the extreme. Either follow the states anti-discrimination laws, or don't offer that item.

No one forced the people to open a business, they chose to do so.
By choosing to open a business, you are agreeing to follow the laws of operating a business. Just like getting a drivers license you are agreeing to follow the laws of driving.
If you break the law you can, and probably will, be fined by the state and sued by the party that you harmed.
Works the same for anyone who violates the law.
I have no trouble agreeing with that. And if the baker doesn't, because the law requires him or her to serve gays, then he can move his business to another state where it would be legal to hang out a sign that says, "Gays Not Served".
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:42 AM
 
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Perhaps you could cite that part of the SCOTUS ruling where SCOTUS said explicitly that Hobby Lobby can discriminate based on gender???
They don't have to. HL's gender discrimination wasn't even considered in the ruling. HL's First Amendment rights trumped any subsequent law(s).
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:43 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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I love Indiana.....
What a beautiful state.....
And the guy running the place has balls.
Thank you!

Refreshment this thread needed badly!!
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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No, it's still a past sinful act versus present ongoing sinful lifestyle. If you are having a ceremony that celebrates premarital sex, I'm sure the baker wouldn't like that either.
How is the baker suppose to know that unless he asks a very personal question of the customer's sex life?
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:44 AM
 
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It's not a first ammendment right if you're disingenuously and untruthfully using your right to free exercise of your religion as a front because you lost.
Lost what? I sure as hell hope we haven't lost our First Amendment rights.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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I love Indiana.....
What a beautiful state.....
And the guy running the place has balls.
And he turned tail and reversed his decision as soon as he was confronted.
Gov. Pence signs RFRA changes into law, issues statement | Fox 59


He has some balls
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:47 AM
 
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So the First Amendment clearly allows the baker to refuse to make a wedding cake for any black and white couple, if his religion says that God did not intend for the races to mix?
That would have to be documented as the owner's religion's stated position.

Here are the religions and denominations that prohibit same sex marriage:
Where Christian churches, other religions stand on gay marriage | Pew Research Center
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