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We are talking about BAKERIES, not CHURCHES. I understand it's hard to tell the difference between a business and a church sometimes, so to make it easier we are discussing the one that pays taxes.
In addition to businesses and churches are things called 'individuals,' 'a person,' 'people.' Those things have beliefs, whether religion-based or not.
In addition to businesses and churches are things called 'individuals,' 'a person,' 'people.' Those things have beliefs, whether religion-based or not.
True, no one is telling a person they have to do anything at all. The issue is when a person chooses to open a business and then decides that some of the laws regarding operating a business don't apply to them.
If I choose to get a drivers license I can not violate the laws regarding driving, no matter what my religious beliefs. I have to follow the same laws as everyone else.
True, no one is telling a person they have to do anything at all. The issue is when a person chooses to open a business and then decides that some of the laws regarding operating a business don't apply to them.
If I choose to get a drivers license I can not violate the laws regarding driving, no matter what my religious beliefs. I have to follow the same laws as everyone else.
The pizza shop owner in Indiana violated no laws by stating it is their policy to refuse to cater homosexual weddings. And she also would not be in violation of any laws if she ever actually did refuse to cater pizza to a homosexual wedding.
Do you believe ALL religious practices are unlimited by laws?
That's a question to be answered by SCOTUS. They've already ruled that Hobby Lobby doesn't have to provide contraceptives/abortifacients because it violates the owner's religion.
The pizza shop owner in Indiana violated no laws by stating it is their policy to refuse to cater homosexual weddings. And she also would not be in violation of any laws if she ever actually did refuse to cater pizza to a homosexual wedding.
Nope, and she has not been charged with anything. The bakeries, florists, and photographers that have violated the laws of their states have been prosecuted by the state.
The pizza place is just having to deal with other peoples freedom of speech. The threats should be prosecuted since that is illegal. The others are just voicing their opinion of what the pizza shop owners said.
They should be happy, in a week they made more than a pizza joint in a tiny town would make in 10 years.
That's a question to be answered by SCOTUS. They've already ruled that Hobby Lobby doesn't have to provide contraceptives/abortifacients because it violates the owner's religion.
You are the one screaming about "freedom of religion" I asked if YOU believe that the first should trump generally applicable laws.
Nope, and she has not been charged with anything. The bakeries, florists, and photographers that have violated the laws of their states have been prosecuted by the state.
The pizza place is just having to deal with other peoples freedom of speech. The threats should be prosecuted since that is illegal. The others are just voicing their opinion of what the pizza shop owners said.
They should be happy, in a week they made more than a pizza joint in a tiny town would make in 10 years.
Shouldn't that give you a clue that the general public is sick of the gay guerilla activists' bullying tactics?
True, no one is telling a person they have to do anything at all. The issue is when a person chooses to open a business and then decides that some of the laws regarding operating a business don't apply to them.
If I choose to get a drivers license I can not violate the laws regarding driving, no matter what my religious beliefs. I have to follow the same laws as everyone else.
Your position is when a person opens a business they lose all the constitutional protection to exercise their religion as to how they operate the business, at least with respect to anti-discrimination laws.
The issue is where the line is drawn. You apparently want the line drawn at, a business is a business and no accommodation to religious beliefs should be allowed. imo, that's as extreme as the people who want businesses to have 100% leeway to do whatever they darn please.
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