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Then I will take a heterosexual cake. They can not discriminate based on the sexual orientation of the person buying the cake.
They're not. They sell any other bakery products to any person. But it is their First Amendment right to refuse to serve a participatory role in an event that violates their religion.
If you're unhappy about that, perhaps you should focus your energy on Amending the Constitution to void the First Amendment.
In the meantime, here are some beautiful wedding cakes from publicy traded corporate grocery stores:
They're not. They sell any other bakery products to any person. But it is their First Amendment right to refuse to serve a participatory role in an event that violates their religion.
If you're unhappy about that, perhaps you should focus your energy on Amending the Constitution to void the First Amendment.
In the meantime, here are some beautiful wedding cakes from publicy traded corporate grocery stores:
Like I said I will just take the same cake that a heterosexual couple buys. They can not discriminate in products that they sell based on the sexual orientation of the person buying it. They don't have to "participate" in my wedding, in fact they are not invited to my wedding.
It seems so odd, really, that these "controversies", these almost deliberately manufactured "issues" focus on such benign and silly things like "cake".
Sure, there are core issues at stake in the "cake-(non)-issue" and perhaps those are what we have now boiled the entire country down to.
No longer do we live in a place, or time, where there are fairly broad intellectual grey areas that can be calmly and openly debated by any interested party without fear of violent reprisal. No. We now live in sharp and extreme times that revolve around issues that simply cannot be justified or rationalized away. We grapple with issues for which there is a sharp line and no compromising. Homosexuality is either wrong, or it is right. There is no "partially right" here.
As we've lost our greater social moral and religious compass we increasingly look to the courts, and the highest of those courts, to "settle" things for us because in the utter absence of any sort of moral baseline, any type of absolute right and wrong we habitually want someone else to make the bitter decisions. And, of course, we always want that ruling to go in OUR favor so that we can then take that decision and use it to beat and tear each other down.
So, back to the cakes.
It has not been missed that most of the time this is homosexuals looking to get a "rise" out of a Christian owned bakery, and create publicity and controversy. Is this not ALL deliberate? Why not a Christian butchers shop? The bakeries are targeted in the classic "berserk-lee" direct action mentality due to Christians inherent belief that homosexual marriage is a sin, and that indeed homosexuality itself is a sin. Wedding cakes are a classic and time honored manifestation of traditional marriage and it is exactly this tradition that the homosexual political mico-minority wishes to "alter".
And so, as some have mentioned elsewhere, this law in Indiana and Arkansas. As written will this mean that a Muslim butcher shop will have to produce Kosher goods for Jewish patrons even if it means processing those meats in a way that is totally "Haram" (Sin) to the Muslim butcher shop owner and workers?
Will Muslim caterers be forced to provide party services to an all lesbian get-together? The strange manifestations are nearly endless. Will Jews be forced to produce a cake depicting slaughtered Jews for some Muslim holiday or other?
Again, there are as many permutations of this foolishness as one could possibly imagine. Black bakeries forced to bake KKK cakes, or Nazi cakes...and "gays".....forced (oh dear!) to bake Christian themed cakes.....On and on it goes.
In "reality" all of this is total non-sense and completely stupid, but.....it's not. If it were we would not be discussing it here and it would get not a second of air-time anywhere.
Let them eat cake......Ah yes. The weird diseases of weird rich "intellectuals" in weird rich "intellectual" nations must seem so incongruous to the impoverished, those that can't get enough of anything at all to eat.....
Is this what it's come to in our country? Bickering over cakes?
Yes, the country that 50 years ago was figuratively reaching for the stars with an ambitious plan to land an American on the moon by the end of the 60s now is so lost that it bickers over cakes.
Back then, in the era of bomb shelters, it was the Soviets who we felt threatened our future. Who would have thought that we, ourselves, would turn out to be a far more formidable foe.
Made it to the supreme court and they denied cert thus leaving the lower court ruling standing.
The lower courts ruled against the business and for the customers.
Good. If the photographer allows so much hatred in his heart that he can not deal with all the paying members of the public, then he should find another occupation.
It seems so odd, really, that these "controversies", these almost deliberately manufactured "issues" focus on such benign and silly things like "cake".
Sure, there are core issues at stake in the "cake-(non)-issue" and perhaps those are what we have now boiled the entire country down to.
No longer do we live in a place, or time, where there are fairly broad intellectual grey areas that can be calmly and openly debated by any interested party without fear of violent reprisal. No. We now live in sharp and extreme times that revolve around issues that simply cannot be justified or rationalized away. We grapple with issues for which there is a sharp line and no compromising. Homosexuality is either wrong, or it is right. There is no "partially right" here.
As we've lost our greater social moral and religious compass we increasingly look to the courts, and the highest of those courts, to "settle" things for us because in the utter absence of any sort of moral baseline, any type of absolute right and wrong we habitually want someone else to make the bitter decisions. And, of course, we always want that ruling to go in OUR favor so that we can then take that decision and use it to beat and tear each other down.
So, back to the cakes.
It has not been missed that most of the time this is homosexuals looking to get a "rise" out of a Christian owned bakery, and create publicity and controversy. Is this not ALL deliberate? Why not a Christian butchers shop? The bakeries are targeted in the classic "berserk-lee" direct action mentality due to Christians inherent belief that homosexual marriage is a sin, and that indeed homosexuality itself is a sin. Wedding cakes are a classic and time honored manifestation of traditional marriage and it is exactly this tradition that the homosexual political mico-minority wishes to "alter".
And so, as some have mentioned elsewhere, this law in Indiana and Arkansas. As written will this mean that a Muslim butcher shop will have to produce Kosher goods for Jewish patrons even if it means processing those meats in a way that is totally "Haram" (Sin) to the Muslim butcher shop owner and workers?
Will Muslim caterers be forced to provide party services to an all lesbian get-together? The strange manifestations are nearly endless. Will Jews be forced to produce a cake depicting slaughtered Jews for some Muslim holiday or other?
Again, there are as many permutations of this foolishness as one could possibly imagine. Black bakeries forced to bake KKK cakes, or Nazi cakes...and "gays".....forced (oh dear!) to bake Christian themed cakes.....On and on it goes.
In "reality" all of this is total non-sense and completely stupid, but.....it's not. If it were we would not be discussing it here and it would get not a second of air-time anywhere.
Let them eat cake......Ah yes. The weird diseases of weird rich "intellectuals" in weird rich "intellectual" nations must seem so incongruous to the impoverished, those that can't get enough of anything at all to eat.....
All storekeepers simply need to wise up to the fact that they can NOT ever hope to discriminate against gays with any degree of success and be fair about it, considering how easy it is for many gays to pass for straight. I don't expect any storekeeper to try to counter that difficulty by asking every customer who comes in the store, "Are you gay?" And if a storekeeper thinks he can sue a gay person, who deceived him, for religious damages, then I bet most judges would throw it out as frivolous. The baker made his money like he was supposed to.
A baker could refuse service to a gay person and the next day sell candied cupcakes to a child molester who used them to seduce children. So a baker open to the public must serve all types of people with money, whether he likes it or not. If he can NOT live with that fact, he might as well get out of the business.
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