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Old 04-04-2015, 09:37 AM
 
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Ugh. It is the direct and indirect participation in a ritual celebrating abomination that Christians object to. Your "argument" is absurd.
Gluttony isn't a sin? Is it not possible the gluttonous couple is having a buffet reception?
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:39 AM
 
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No it isn't. That's why you guys keep losing. You seem to think "I'm a bigot because Jesus" constitutes practicing Christianity. It doesn't. You'll just have to learn to live with the fact that waving a bible around and believing in magic does not put you above the law.
And yet you have no problem supporting a group of homo-fascist, anti-Christian bigots who conspired together across state lines to ruin this woman and her business, threaten her life, threaten to burn down her store, make harassing phone calls and other threats, resulting in the store being shut down.

And all that not for something she actually did, but for suggesting a hypothetical course of action, catering pizza for a homosexual wedding, which it is highly unlikely that anyone would ever truly desire her to do.

Very nice.
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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No it isn't. That's why you guys keep losing. You seem to think "I'm a bigot because Jesus" constitutes practicing Christianity. It doesn't. You'll just have to learn to live with the fact that waving a bible around and believing in magic does not put you above the law.
And you liberals need to start displaying and practicing some of that empathy you think you have. Try understanding where true Christians come from in this debate and stop dismissing them as bigots.
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:41 AM
 
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No it isn't. That's why you guys keep losing. You seem to think "I'm a bigot because Jesus" constitutes practicing Christianity. It doesn't. You'll just have to learn to live with the fact that waving a bible around and believing in magic does not put you above the law.
It can exclude you from the law. As the Hobby Lobby ruling shows.
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:44 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I think Ponderosa should support giving a Cosmopolitan style sexual act survey to every couple wanting to get married. Perhaps have them answer in front of the whole congregation regarding which acts they have participated in, with whom, etc. Maybe even give out a transcript of each answer to all in the congregation.

Be consistent, not bigoted. Judge ALL, not those you dislike. Then have the minister give his answers , from the day he was born.
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:48 AM
 
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I think Ponderosa should support giving a Cosmopolitan style sexual act survey to every couple wanting to get married. Perhaps have them answer in front of the whole congregation regarding which acts they have participated in, with whom, etc. Maybe even give out a transcript of each answer to all in the congregation.

Be consistent, not bigoted. Judge ALL, not those you dislike. Then have the minister give his answers , from the day he was born.
don't forget to attach them to a lie detector, would hate to add that sin to the mix
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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It's a quagmire. The left can shout equal rights for all while the right can shout that the state can't infringe upon a persons religious beliefs. It is best to let the market sort this out. If you support them, go there and if you don't boycott them.
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Old 04-04-2015, 10:27 AM
 
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SCOTUS didn't rule that way in the HL case. So, you have no point.

And that's exactly what it is: a fight to preserve everyone's First Amendment rights.
I do have a point. My point being that this whole exercise, IMO, is actually making a mockery of people's right to religious freedom. Given that I'm extremely dubious that religious objections are the reason for the refusal, and ickiness is. Otherwise, religious business owners would be a bit more discriminating in their clientele generally, and not cater to any sinful events and make sure ALL their customers qualified as pure in their intent.

So to say they are bent about gay marriage "participation" and not refuse all the other sinner's events, is to water down their ideology to a point where you could argue that their religious convictions are so weak as to not even qualify as such.

Funnily enough, you don't have to work with anyone you find icky, icky not being a protected class, so they could have just left it at that and gotten on with it, instead of making a case against gay marriage in particular.

The root of this problem is religious views being foisted upon the general public, in a secular business world, where IMO (which I'm entitled too) they don't belong. That's my opinion. The opinion of the SCOTUS may vary.
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Old 04-04-2015, 11:07 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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then get out of a business that is service related to the general public.
The government can't force a business to close for the sole reason of the owner's exercising their religion. SCOTUS already just recently ruled to uphold business owner's First Amendment rights.
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Old 04-04-2015, 11:09 AM
 
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It can exclude you from the law. As the Hobby Lobby ruling shows.
Exactly. SCOTUS ruled in favor of the First Amendment. Not sure why some people are so willing to give up their First Amendment rights.
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