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Regardless of religion, businesses operate to serve the public. Saying I will not do business with a small percentage of the public just does not work in our society. It is plain discrimination.
Fortunately, as has been reiterated literally at least a thousand times here in this forum, nobody wants to do that. Whoever gave you the idea that anyone did is either ignorant or a liar.
There is no religion that promotes the idea that people should refrain from buying and sell with others based solely on their sexual orientation. None.
There is no pattern or practice of refusing to sell to people in our country based solely on their sexual orientation. I challenge you to come up with an example of a merchant in the US that does not sell to homosexuals, period, for any reason. I do not believe you can do it, because as far as I am aware it does not occur. Apparently not at all. Feel free to try and prove me wrong, if you can.
And in fact the woman in this pizza restaurant made it clear that she is happy to sell to homosexuals in her store during the ordinary course of business, and that she does so regularly. Obviously if she was refusing to do business with a certain small percentage of our society, as you say, then she would not be willing to do that. Would she?
Instead, what she is refusing to do is associate herself with a specific activity that is religiously offensive to her. That is behavior that is protected by the first amendment and now this new RFRA law.
"I didn't ask for this on my cake. There must have been a mix-up."
He doesn't make cakes without Jesus saves. So what are you going to do?
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You don't seem to understand. Pretending god is real does not put right-wing bigots above the law. I don't understand why this keeps coming up. Do these people get into business without knowing how businesses operate or something?
This new law is supposed to protect the baker from all the left wing bigots out there. Why would you go to a Christian bakery to buy a cake anyway?
So if your religious practice dictates you should stone women in the street if they've been raped, the law doesn't apply?
I would hope so. I would hope the law would reflect the religion of the people, in this case Christianity. It usually does.
But if you're going to abuse your rights by shoving your pagan rituals down our throats, then if you cause even one child to fall, the Lord rebuke you!
I would hope so. I would hope the law would reflect the religion of the people, in this case Christianity. It usually does.
But if you're going to abuse your rights by shoving your pagan rituals down our throats, then if you cause even one child to fall, the Lord rebuke you!
Let me remind you of your statement:
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When it comes to religion and the practice of religion there can be no law.
There is either law that restricts elements of free practice of your religion (whatever that may be) or there isn't. The law doesn't reflect the "religion of the people". Well not here anyway. Thank God.
As to your last point, right back at ya. That's my sentiment exactly.
Fortunately, as has been reiterated literally at least a thousand times here in this forum, nobody wants to do that. Whoever gave you the idea that anyone did is either ignorant or a liar.
There is no religion that promotes the idea that people should refrain from buying and sell with others based solely on their sexual orientation. None.
There is no pattern or practice of refusing to sell to people in our country based solely on their sexual orientation. I challenge you to come up with an example of a merchant in the US that does not sell to homosexuals, period, for any reason. I do not believe you can do it, because as far as I am aware it does not occur. Apparently not at all. Feel free to try and prove me wrong, if you can.
Here's two. Considering how much hatred and resentment there is against gays in Oklahoma, I'm not surprised one is from there.
For the first one, the owner denies that this is a broad based policy, and what is mentioned is one homosexual couple who it appears may have been acting inappropriately. Throwing two homosexuals out of your establishment for getting nasty does not demonstrate any sort of unwillingness or a lack of desire to serve people regardless of their sexual orientation at all. And it comes as no surprise that the homosexual community would conspire together with their thug like tactics to try and ruin this person, as we of course have seen them recently doing the same thing to the pizza shop owner in Indiana. These homo-fascists are some seriously out of control A-holes.
So your first example is rejected.
As far as your second example, at least he clearly does what you claim he does. However, this guy seems to hate everyone. LOL. He appears to be a rabble rouser. I shouldn't have said nobody, I should have said virtually nobody, to leave room for the odd exception like this guy.
Certainly this guy's motivations are not religiously motivated. He is just a loud mouth, mean-spirited redneck prick, and he is apparently proud of it.
I don't understand why this keeps coming up. Do these people get into business without knowing how businesses operate or something?
SCOTUS has already ruled that closely held corporation (not publicly traded) business owners retain their First Amendment right to exercise their religion regardless of what a law mandates.
When it comes to religion and the practice of religion there can be no law.
False.
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Why would you go to a Christian bakery to buy a cake anyway?
We aren't taking about Christian bakeries. We are talking about bakeries owned by a Christian. Playing games with words to try to make your point sound more significant than it is makes clear that you know what you're saying has no merit without distorting the reality.
SCOTUS has already ruled that closely held corporation (not publicly traded) business owners retain their First Amendment right to exercise their religion regardless of what a law mandates.
Yes. The ruling is restricted to closely held corporations (not publicly traded) only, and there must be a less-restrictive means of acquiring the services/goods.
In the case of bakeries, florists, photographers, cateres, officiants, etc., there are plenty of less-restrictive means to acquire such goods/services for weddings. I posted a link extolling the virtues and even downright trendiness of buying a wedding cake from publicly traded corporation grocery stores. And the photos showed some really beautiful wedding cakes.
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