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As far as your article, that may be the purest, most refined pile of B.S. ever posted to this board. Of course anyone who has been here for any length of time knows that is no small accomplishment. Congratulations on that, in any case.
No it isn't. Cite specifically where anyone has said that "Pence retracted the first Bill and reestablished that Bakers will provide wedding cakes for gay couples."
"Pence's decision to sign a follow-up bill -- which made clear the law couldn't be used to refuse services based on sexual orientation -- led to a "limited view" of religious freedom."
Last edited by Ellis Bell; 04-06-2015 at 08:45 AM..
That doesn't mean Indiana law trumps SCOTUS and the First Amendment. All that means is that gays can go into a bakery, florist, etc. and be served off the shelf. That doesn't mean a (closely held) baker, florist, photograper, caterer, officiant, etc., has to enter into a contract to provide goods/services for a same sex marriage if it violates their religion.
That doesn't mean Indiana law trumps SCOTUS and the First Amendment. All that means is that gays can go into a bakery, florist, etc. and be served off the shelf. That doesn't mean a (closely held) baker, florist, photograper, caterer, officiant, etc., has to enter into a contract to provide goods/services for a same sex marriage if it violates their religion.
You're right, there is always the court of appeals, all the way to the Supreme Court.
Lot's of $$$ for lawyers to make on the law suit.
If they were trying to stop the lawsuits, well they did a really, really bad job of it.
You're right, there is always the court of appeals, all the way to the Supreme Court.
Exactly. Let the gay wedding couples who feel they're wedding cake, wedding flower, wedding photography, and wedding pizza deprived take their case to court.
Until then, we have SCOTUS ruling for the First Amendment right of closely held business owners to exercise their religion.
That doesn't mean Indiana law trumps SCOTUS and the First Amendment. All that means is that gays can go into a bakery, florist, etc. and be served off the shelf. That doesn't mean a (closely held) baker, florist, photograper, caterer, officiant, etc., has to enter into a contract to provide goods/services for a same sex marriage if it violates their religion.
Seems that state judges disagree with your opinion.
SCOTUS doesn't. Get a case to SCOTUS, get a ruling that contradicts the HL ruling, and then I'll agree with you.
I think there's a problem with your reasoning.
The federal RFRA applies only to federal laws, like the ACA. These florists, bakers, etc. can't use the federal RFRA because state laws, not federal, are the basis of ruling they must serve ssm under state anti-discrimination laws.
I think, not sure, the SC would be faced with a whole set of different issues than in the HL case.
The federal RFRA applies only to federal laws, like the ACA. These florists, bakers, etc. can't use the federal RFRA because state laws, not federal, are the basis of ruling they must serve ssm under state anti-discrimination laws.
I think, not sure, the SC would be faced with a whole set of different issues than in the HL case.
I've not yet seen a state RFRA law, including the Indiana amended law, that restricts First Amendment Freedom of Religion rights for closely held corporations.
Can someone explain what is the philosophical difference between making a lovely wedding cake yourself, as a baker, that a gay couple can buy off the shelf, as opposed to being asked to make one to order? If you've made both cakes, but one just has a purple flowers instead of the pink on the shelf, what the fig is the difference?
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