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While I agree that most "progressives" are statist tyrants at heart you have to call a spade a spade the other way as well. Social conservatives and neocon warhawks love big government just as much as the left. Telling people what they can put in their bodies or using the police state to crack down on non-violent drug offenders is wrong. "Preemptive" wars all over the globe are wrong as well.
That's what neocons (leftist Republicans, Rockefeller Republicans) do. That's not what the paleocon right does.
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You can't call yourself a proponent of "limited government" if you support government intervention into the bedroom and abroad.
If you argue paleos are pro-life, that's true; they're not going to want to fund destructive procedures wherever they occur.
That's what neocons (leftist Republicans, Rockefeller Republicans) do. That's not what the paleocon right does.
If you argue paleos are pro-life, that's true; they're not going to want to fund destructive procedures wherever they occur.
Well I am on the right so I'm not arguing against conservatism. In fact I consider myself somewhat of a paleoconservative with libertarian leanings. I was merely pointing out that you have to call out all big government statists, not just those on the left. Big government is big government no matter if it's the left boot or the right boot on your throat.
Neo this, paleo that. Left this, right that. Christian this, Muslim that. For people who claim to champion the individual, rightwingers sure do see the world in groups.
Which GOP candidates will roll back the NSA and government surveillance?
None, because if they tried they would be stopped by the progressive left. There isn't really any difference between the two parties. Obama = Bush 2. The Tea Party faction makes some waves, but are largely kept in check by the progressive left establishment within the GOP. Democracy serves to prevent change.
Neo this, paleo that. Left this, right that. Christian this, Muslim that. For people who claim to champion the individual, rightwingers sure do see the world in groups.
It is in groups. People naturally fall into clades whether they are physical or philosophical. I admit that a group belief in individual rights is an interesting idea, but certainly not hard to wrap your mind around.
Given an uninterrupted descent into diversity, censorship and surveillance will be an absolutely unavoidable side effect. You have to keep the lid on somehow.
Fair enough. BTW I would find that to be hilarious if they did.
But you still avoid the point. Its not a left vs right. Its every darn politician giving up our freedoms for safety. Trying to make it left vs right is ignoring the reality.
You are on the right track but missing the larger reality. There really isn't any right vs. left in this republic, just varying shades of the progressive left. Ideological differences are promoted as a smokescreen to keep people distracted so that they won't pull back the curtain and expose the wizard. You have people like Rand Paul who try to bring us back to constitutional principles, but the constitution died a long time ago, courtesy of the progressive left which controls the establishment base in both major parties.
I'm not saying republicans are always right but it's true the left are more sensitive towards debate and differing opinions and more likely to censor those opinions because they operate more based on feeling vs the right which operates moreso (though not entirely) on facts and logical arguments.
You throw facts at a liberal and it's like you're violating their religious beliefs. I don't care if someone disagrees with my opinion. That's life.
I'm not saying republicans are always right but it's true the left are more sensitive towards debate and differing opinions and more likely to censor those opinions because they operate more based on feeling vs the right which operates moreso (though not entirely) on facts and logical arguments.
You throw facts at a liberal and it's like you're violating their religious beliefs. I don't care if someone disagrees with my opinion. That's life.
Wow. Don't think I've ever seen a finer display of projection in my entire life. [slow clap] Well played, sir.
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