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Old 04-27-2015, 12:31 PM
 
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Agreed, Casper, any POTUS who does not choose drones over boots whenever possible, now or in the future, should be impeached IMO.
And you can bet that should a Republican ever get back into the White House, the right will be lauding him/her for not putting boots on the ground and using drones instead. And they will pretend that he/she is the first to ever do so. You just know that's coming.
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Old 04-27-2015, 12:34 PM
 
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I guess it never occurs to progressives of either party not to employ drones or troops and stay out of conflicts all together
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Old 04-27-2015, 01:08 PM
 
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Rand Paul is defending Obama on this one. It's an awkward moment for Paul supporters who have been attacking Obama over the strike.
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Old 04-27-2015, 01:08 PM
 
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I guess it never occurs to progressives of either party not to employ drones or troops and stay out of conflicts all together
So we should have not invaded Afghanistan? I assume when someone smacks down members of your family you turn your other cheek. Yeah right
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Old 04-27-2015, 01:11 PM
 
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Rand Paul is defending Obama on this one. It's an awkward moment for Paul supporters who have been attacking Obama over the strike.
Because many Paul supporters believe Rand is an Isolationist like his father, they are at a lose that he is a different man and that leaves them with no one this time around.
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Old 04-27-2015, 01:14 PM
 
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Obama has kind of been president the past 6+ years.

Obama has greatly expanded the drone program.

Obama has started bombing more countries with drones.

Obama has created more drone bases over seas.

Obama has increased drone strikes overall.

Obama dramatically reduced drone strikes in Iraq his 1st year in office by about 90% while dramatically increasing drone strikes in to other non-combat areas.

He owns the current policies.
How would you handle combating terrorists? Would you declare certain countries as places where you would never hit them?
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Old 04-27-2015, 01:26 PM
 
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Because many Paul supporters believe Rand is an Isolationist like his father, they are at a lose that he is a different man and that leaves them with no one this time around.
Rand is trying to find a way to be like his father, without losing votes over issues his father supported, like isolationism. I don't think it will work, so in the end he will have to come up with a way to appease enough groups to get enough votes. It won't be anything like his father, who never negotiated away his principles in order to get more votes. Ron Paul was a "take it or leave it" kind of guy, which is why people liked him.
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Old 04-27-2015, 03:46 PM
 
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How would you handle combating terrorists? Would you declare certain countries as places where you would never hit them?
I do think drones have a place.

However, Obama has:
1) Greatly expanded the program.
2) Greatly diminished drone strikes in Iraq in his 1st and subsequent years.
3) Greatly expanded drone strikes in areas that are non-war zones.
4) Killed more and more civilians.

I think we need to be reflective of these policies as some liberals pointed out under Bush.

Drone strikes killing civilians:
1) Create new terrorists.
2) Serve as propaganda for terrorist.
3) Sets a precedent for new countries that acquire these to fly them above unwilling countries.
4) Fuels anti-US resentment.
5) The ability for people to pretend that drone strikes aren't a form of warfare, even as it expands over new countries...to further their political hero.
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Old 04-27-2015, 04:46 PM
 
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So we should have not invaded Afghanistan? I assume when someone smacks down members of your family you turn your other cheek. Yeah right
We should have gone after Bin Laden and been done with it, there is no need to occupy or remain Afghanistan.
Of course you assume, its all you have.
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Rand Paul is defending Obama on this one. It's an awkward moment for Paul supporters who have been attacking Obama over the strike.
People are finding out Rand Paul is a run of the mill GOP'er and right now he is making comments defending drone usage in order to pander to the jew$ and neocon$ within the party.
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Rand is trying to find a way to be like his father, without losing votes over issues his father supported, like isolationism. I don't think it will work, so in the end he will have to come up with a way to appease enough groups to get enough votes. It won't be anything like his father, who never negotiated away his principles in order to get more votes. Ron Paul was a "take it or leave it" kind of guy, which is why people liked him.
Isolationsim? it's non interventionism
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Old 04-27-2015, 06:16 PM
 
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We should have gone after Bin Laden and been done with it, there is no need to occupy or remain Afghanistan.
Of course you assume, its all you have.
You do know that we got OBL in Pakistan, Not Afghanistan.

You do know that we did not invade Afghanistan to simply get OBL, don't you

Why is it Libertarians rarely understand the facts, do they ignore them or are they simply ignorant of them
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