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It's clear that it was you who didn't understand the point. You actually believe that these community leaders are capable of impartiality.
Yes there are community leaders capable of impartiality.
But using your angle.....the cops are?
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You seem to think that the video that I posted has nothing to do with this. It does. I can show you video after video of similar type of behavior from these community leaders. The pattern of stupidity is obvious, yet you want them involved in the investigations of police officers.
And I can show you video after video of the police violently attacking restrained individuals.
No, he did not recognize him and the man was committing crimes on the bike. That is reasonable suspicion for a Terry stop. The stop would have been routine if Stephens had acted appropriately.
If a white man had died of a spinal injury while in police custody this wouldn't be a story. Only black lives matter.
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Now you're getting it. We need to be outraged at every instance of police brutality against Blacks, but when it happens to Whites - yawn.
While this attitude among many of the backers of the various recent protests is both very clear and absolutely disgusting, we shouldn't react by closing our eyes and ignoring police brutality as a problem altogether. Just because the people making a point are hypocrites about it doesn't mean the point itself is wrong. Police -- and especially police in large cities which aren't cohesive communities -- are often insufficiently accountable to the public they are meant to serve; that a lot of the protesters and agitators wouldn't have cared one bit if it was a white man who had been killed is something we should be pointing out and condemning, but at the same time it doesn't make police brutality not a problem, it just means you have two separate problems on your hands.
Edit: To be clear, I think that's just something that needs to be kept in mind and said, I'm not accusing either of you of taking the opposite view.
Yes there are community leaders capable of impartiality.
But using your angle.....the cops are?
And how would we screen for that? Would they tell some self proclaimed community leader that he can't sit on this commission? What if the community supported him? You don't seem to grasp the repercussions that would follow such an action.
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And I can show you video after video of the police violently attacking restrained individuals.
Does this prove all cops are bad?
No, but it shows a pattern of police misconduct. The difference is that we actually have the means to weed out bad cops. We don't have the means to weed out bad community leaders.
And how would we screen for that? Would they tell some self proclaimed community leader that he can't sit on this commission? What if the community supported him? You don't seem to grasp the repercussions that would follow such an action.
They would make up one portion of the commission. You seem to be so against the idea of one segment maybe not being as open minded about a situation but are willing to ignore that cops rarely are.
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No, but it shows a pattern of police misconduct. The difference is that we actually have the means to weed out bad cops. We don't have the means to weed out bad community leaders.
Police investigating the police is not a means to get rid of bad cops.
The militarization of our police is the outcome of the Patriot Act and creation of DHS.
Money, arms and training flows freely from DHS to local LE's. And it's all about dealing with terrorists on US soil.
I've said this before that when stopped by a cop consider yourself guilty until you prove your innocence.
Some of the things that DHS has paid for/mandated:
VIPR checkpoints, military vehicles, combat fatigues, increased use of SWAT teams for routine police matters, license plate readers in cop cars, stingrays, urban shield exercises, surveillance cameras for use by local LE's.
And there's plenty more than that the DHS either funds or trains the local LE's for.
The very government entity you are looking to for a solution is the very entity that created our "National Police Force".
There's a fine line between enhanced safety and a police state.
They would make up one portion of the commission. You seem to be so against the idea of one segment maybe not being as open minded about a situation but are willing to ignore that cops rarely are.
Police investigating the police is not a means to get rid of bad cops.
So police investigations into police misconduct don't ever lead to cops being terminated or even prosecuted? Now you are just being willfully ignorant. Not only do we have investigations, but we have pre-screening through hiring standards. If the standards are too low, then we should raise them.
So police investigations into police misconduct don't ever lead to cops being terminated or even prosecuted? Now you are just being willfully ignorant. Not only do we have investigations, but we have pre-screening through hiring standards. If the standards are too low, then we should raise them.
We can't because it's discriminatory. Go read up on how the civil service tests were "modified" so that more minorities could pass and get hired.
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