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Old 04-27-2015, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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There has been terrific effort expended by the GOP to uncover a cover up re Benghazi by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. While it does seem pretty apparent to me that there was an effort to cover up what happened at Benghazi, and that the impetus was from the Obama 2012 campaign (the election was less than two months away), the problem is that there is no smoking gun proof of this. and probably never will be. Bill and Hillary Clinton have been managing scandals for 30 years, and when you have that much experience, you become very good.

Jason Chaffetz, who has served on both the House Intel committee and on the oversight committee under Darrell Issa, has what I think is a better approach to the question of Benghazi. He traveled to Libya in October 2012, just after the attack.

The approach of Chaffetz was not to criticize on the basis of a nefarious but unproven cover up, but that the Benghazi attack was the result of Hillary Clinton's wrongheaded 'expeditionary diplomacy' philosophy. Hillary believed in strong engagement and outreach to places like Libya, which is why Chris Stevens was still in Benghazi after the Brits had pulled their people out due to violence and instability. In short Hillary was a believer not just in big government domestically, but in 'big foreign policy' (if you will).

If Republicans keep pursing the cover up angle, and never get their proof, we will end up looking like Wiley Coyote going after Road Runner. With the Chaffetz approach, we can have a civil debate over whether we want the US Dept of State extending tentacles into every country on earth in an effort to get them to behave the way we prefer, and in the process putting American lives at risk. And I think that Hillary Clinton will come out on the losing end of that debate.

 
Old 04-28-2015, 02:22 AM
 
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IMO, due to the GOP going after every thing that they saw as a "cover up" or a "scandal" they became "the boy that cried wolf". When there was really something to investigate, and if there was any proof, they gave Obama/Hillary the heads up to "you can't be too careful" and with that, if there was anything to prove a cover up it was long gone as the clean up was done well beforehand or found "time" to clean up the remnants.

Unfortunately as bystanders, there isn't much we can do where it concerns politicians agendas/goals/beliefs. The damage is pretty much done before the elections come around.

It is more about the intent of the individual(s) and purpose. Benghazi was unfortunate and goes beyond the lack of security.
 
Old 04-28-2015, 02:45 AM
 
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IMO, due to the GOP going after every thing that they saw as a "cover up" or a "scandal" they became "the boy that cried wolf". When there was really something to investigate, and if there was any proof, they gave Obama/Hillary the heads up to "you can't be too careful" and with that, if there was anything to prove a cover up it was long gone as the clean up was done well beforehand or found "time" to clean up the remnants.

Unfortunately as bystanders, there isn't much we can do where it concerns politicians agendas/goals/beliefs. The damage is pretty much done before the elections come around.

It is more about the intent of the individual(s) and purpose. Benghazi was unfortunate and goes beyond the lack of security.
Bingo. I swear its like the GOP is actively working to help her. Bizarre.
 
Old 04-28-2015, 02:52 AM
 
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Bingo. I swear its like the GOP is actively working to help her. Bizarre.
Well, with the latest regarding her foreign contributions for favors, and "mistakes" in her taxes, I think it caught up to her and she's managed to do herself in with no help from the GOP - or Team Obama. Maybe as a private citizen she thought she was still untouchable???

Any potential candidate or politician taking cash-for-favors, regardless of party affiliation, should be investigated.
 
Old 04-28-2015, 03:11 AM
 
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Well, with the latest regarding her foreign contributions for favors, and "mistakes" in her taxes, I think it caught up to her and she's managed to do herself in with no help from the GOP - or Team Obama. Maybe as a private citizen she thought she was still untouchable???

Any potential candidate or politician taking cash-for-favors, regardless of party affiliation, should be investigated.
Even if true, many will assume its "just another smear attempt". Seriously, this is the danger of made up fake outrages.
 
Old 04-28-2015, 06:54 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Jason Chaffetz (R, UTAH) has the best approach to the problem of Benghazi and Hillary Clinton


Nah, the best approach will be to compare her record to the last Republican Administrations sterling record of diplomatic protection.


A List of Deadly Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Diplomatic Targets Under President George W. Bush, 2001-2009 | PolitiFact
 
Old 04-28-2015, 07:03 AM
 
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Even if true, many will assume its "just another smear attempt". Seriously, this is the danger of made up fake outrages.
You have never, ever seen the democrats do fake outrage?? It's become which party can dodo more fake outrage.

Politics is a dangerous game. Some play it better than others. If one seriously believes that one party is more honest, more transparent, has the interest of the country, has the interest of the people, one has to be a blubbering idiot. I see two parties: one of which wants America to be "cool" and the other than wants America to be the world's power and neither are succeeding. You figure out which is which.

How our government has deteriorated to the level it has gone down to is an embarrassment.
 
Old 04-28-2015, 07:04 AM
 
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Jason Chaffetz (R, UTAH) has the best approach to the problem of Benghazi and Hillary Clinton


Nah, the best approach will be to compare her record to the last Republican Administrations sterling record of diplomatic protection.


A List of Deadly Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Diplomatic Targets Under President George W. Bush, 2001-2009 | PolitiFact
Why don't you go back to the very first administration and start from there and work your way up to the present?
 
Old 04-28-2015, 07:06 AM
 
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Why don't you go back to the very first administration and start from there and work your way up to the present?
Why don't you?
 
Old 04-28-2015, 09:16 AM
 
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Why don't you go back to the very first administration and start from there and work your way up to the present?
According to the right, no administration before this one ever experienced violence at any of our embassies. Only this administration. At least one would think so, judging from the never-ending "investigations" on Benghazi.

Where were the years worth of investigations for all those other embassy deaths? Yeah, those didn't matter, right? Because...TALKING POINTS! YOUTUBE VIDEOS!!! Or something...
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