Jerry Brown Funds Student Illegals, Cuts Middle-Class Scholarships (Representatives, regular, cost)

[BB_210]

Why does Gov. Brown love criminals so much and hate middle-class Americans? I guess he knows where his voter base is.

California Governor Jerry Brown won’t touch scholarship funding for illegal immigrant students while he cuts scholarship funding for middle-class U.S. citizens enrolled in higher education institutions, Campus Reform reports.

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CA Funds Student Illegals, Cuts Middle-Class Scholarships | The Daily Caller

[Ruth4Truth]

Your source at the top link, the Leadership Institute, isn't credible, nor are the claims it makes in your quote. Here's some info on it, for our readers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Institute
Here's info on the second source, "The Daily Caller" (a fave of Dick Cheney and Karl Rove):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Caller

More fake news.

[BB_210]

Clicked the links and found they are both right leaning organizations. One of them has a controversy about paying some prostitutes to lie. I'm not sure what Dick Cheney and Karl Rove have to with any of this. Whats the fake part?

I didn't know daily caller was founded by Tucker Carlson, I like him.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Your source at the top link, the Leadership Institute, isn't credible, nor are the claims it makes in your quote. Here's some info on it, for our readers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Institute
Here's info on the second source, "The Daily Caller" (a fave of Dick Cheney and Karl Rove):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Caller

More fake news.

Does that mean the Governor did not do this?

[brb going fishing]

It's legit.

If Brown phases out college scholarships for middle-class students, stressed parents wonder: 'How are we going to make this work?' - LA Times

Why the Middle Class Scholarship could get cut this year

"The low-income Cal Grant and the Dream Act funds for unnaturalized immigrant students would remain. Only the Middle Class Scholarship would be cut"

[RosieSD]

I can certainly see how reading a headline like "Middle class scholarships being cut for illegal immigrants" could get some people upset.

But, let's take a deep breath and look at some of the facts behind what is actually being proposed:

First, if your child is already receiving the middle class scholarship, under Brown's proposal, they'll continue to receive it as long as your family is eligible under the current income restrictions.

Second, the middle class scholarship was awarded after all other need based aid was awarded, such as Federal student loans, grants, etc. Students will still be able to access those programs and they will still be eligible to apply for other scholarships offered by the UCs and Cal States.

Third, for "middle class families" earning $100,000 - $150,000, the "scholarship" was amount was very small - something like $300 a year if you're at the top of the cut off.

Fourth, since there was no minimum income requirement for the "middle class scholarship" a sizable portion of kids who received it were actually not middle class at all. They won't lose their money; it's just going to be reassigned. Those kids will still be eligible for Cal Grants.

Fifth, undocumented students do not receive "free" college education in California. They are eligible for in-state tuition if they have graduated from a California high school. They are not eligible for any Federal financial aid. If they have maintained a 3.0 UC GPA, have applied for DACA (a FEDERAL program), and their family meets the income restrictions for a Cal Grant, then they may receive a Cal Grant, just like other California students from low income families. But, the Cal Grant does not cover the full cost of attending a UC or Cal State.

By the way, California is not the only state that gives in-state tuition to undocumented students. 18 other states do too. And in California, the decision to do that was made LONG before Gov. Brown came into office. Blame it on Gray Davis if you want.

I certainly understand how families earning $100,000 - $150,000 will be disappointed that their children won't get an extra $300 - $500 a year once this program is eliminated.

But, their children will still be eligible for other UC and Cal State scholarships as well as need-based financial aid. And, if your main goal is to get a big scholarship for you child, this actually wasn't the best way to do so. The biggest scholarships are given out by private colleges, so if you want a big scholarship, you and your child should be looking at private colleges as well as the UCs and Cal States.

Again, I certainly understand how families earning above $100,000 will be disappointed to hear this news. Every little bit certainly helps when it comes to paying for college. And, in fairness, with the endless state budget situation here, there are probably many things our state could do to cut the cost of attending our public institutions. But, it's not just as simple as "don't let undocumented kids have instate tuition."

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by brb going fishing

It's legit.
If Brown phases out college scholarships for middle-class students, stressed parents wonder: 'How are we going to make this work?' - LA Times
Why the Middle Class Scholarship could get cut this year
"The low-income Cal Grant and the Dream Act funds for unnaturalized immigrant students would remain. Only the Middle Class Scholarship would be cut"

The middle class scholarships provide relatively small grants to parents earning 80-150k, and students currently enrolled will continue to get the grants through school year 2020-21, and it's not so that he can spend more money on "illegals" Brown said he is concerned about it draining money from the regular cal grants received by low income students the majority of whom are citizens. https://edsource.org/2017/brown-prop...arships/575123

The only connection to "illegals" is that AB540 provides specific Cal Grants for DACA kids as well as citizen students. So it appears the basis of the rant here is to complain that we should cut the AB540 DACA cal-grants in order to continue to give middle class parents a break.

It strikes me as odd that for some reason it was only after Trump was elected that this became a big deal even though AB540 passed SIXTEEN YEARS AGO What Is AB540?

[RosieSD]

Just want to add one more thought: If you are a California resident and California voter and don't agree with eliminating this program, then by all means get off the internet and contact your state representatives and the governors office. Be sure you understand why this is being proposed though so you can make a sound argument.

If you are NOT a California resident, then this does NOT affect you or your kids since you were never eligible for this program to begin with. Therefore, there is no need to get your panties in a wad over it.

[brb going fishing]

It makes sense to provide in state tuition and other financial aid to undocumented 'New Americans', since the state of California is in solid fiscal shape, with highly funded schools and infrastructure.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by brb going fishing

It makes sense to provide in state tuition and other financial aid to undocumented 'New Americans', since the state of California is in solid fiscal shape, with highly funded schools and infrastructure.

Not to be rude, but if you don't live in California you really have no skin in the game. If you decide to move here then I encourage you to contact your state assembly and senate reps and communicate your dislike of AB540.