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Old 08-01-2020, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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I am really torn. On the one hand I think the death penalty is for the victims and society in general.

It gives the victims finality and allows society NOT to have to support the animal for a life time. Or deal with endless legal wrangling

The death penalty is also imho a deterrent.

On the other I do think life in prison probably is something as a society we need to do. Not only for the people who could be wrongly killed but also to bring humanity higher.

I just hope a prison guard does an "Epstein" for this guy -- and soon.
Don't hold any hopes Tsarnaev will commit suicide. The cells are designed to prevent it.

And the guards sure won't help him; the job is boring in a SuperMax, but the pay is good. The SuperMax has the most coveted jobs in the Colorado prison system, and the SuperMax is only one small prison in the Florence complex. There are 3 others that are larger in it.

The SuperMax was deliberately created to be the worst, most scary place a violent criminal could imagine. A place that is very literally worse than death to the guys who don't fear death.

It's worked very well. Most of the prisoners in the SuperMax are eventually released back into a general-population unit in the Florence complex, and they all come out fearing the SuperMax.

There have been lawsuits over the prison, but the lawsuits only changed the imprisonment just enough to meet the rule of law. They had to add some heat to the cellblocks in the winter, a few other small things, and that was all.
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Old 08-01-2020, 06:02 AM
 
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Don't hold any hopes Tsarnaev will commit suicide. The cells are designed to prevent it.
Ohhh aren't you adorable that you think it was suicide.
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Old 08-01-2020, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Various
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The death penalty is also imho a deterrent.
Study after study disproves this assertion. There is simply no evidence that the death penalty has a deterrent effect.
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Old 08-01-2020, 01:53 PM
 
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Study after study disproves this assertion. There is simply no evidence that the death penalty has a deterrent effect.
Pfft, study after study by anti capital punishment groups.
It is common sense it is a deterrent.
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Old 08-01-2020, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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I see this every time there's a major case like this. We go all out going after these animals, and if you bring up due process, you're yelled at with "THINK OF THE VICTIMS!!!!11!!1!" and other such things. I support due process for everyone at every step, to ensure these animals don't get let out on appeal. Didn't happen here fortunately, but it sounds like it was close. A juror with a pre-existing, and obvious bias? That could be grounds at least for a re-trial if not outright dismissal with double jeopardy invoked. Due process for the accused ensures justice for the victims!
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Old 08-01-2020, 02:51 PM
 
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Oh for crying out loud, just hang the bastard.

Move him in with ilan Omar They will have plenty in common
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Old 08-01-2020, 02:58 PM
 
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I am against the death penalty purely on cost reasons. Takes too long and costs too much from trial, to housing, appeals, sentence carried out. LWOP is cheaper.
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Old 08-01-2020, 04:23 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Pfft, study after study by anti capital punishment groups.
It is common sense it is a deterrent.
then why do so many still commit murder in this country, or other countries that have capital punishment?
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Old 08-01-2020, 04:29 PM
 
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then why do so many still commit murder in this country, or other countries that have capital punishment?
Precisely because it is such a joke today and chances are.. even if you are sentenced to death you won't be executed..
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Old 08-01-2020, 04:47 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Study after study disproves this assertion. There is simply no evidence that the death penalty has a deterrent effect.

Or that a life sentence is a deterrent either. Nothing wrong with an eye foe an eye. IF he's guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, death is a fitting punishment.
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