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Even when you present them with pages of credible sources, they wouldn't read them. We both know it's pointless to provide them with sources when they ask for them, but its commendable you are trying.
I know. It's like trying to reason with a Creationist about evolution.
A first year college/university student learns how to do a literature search of the academic Journals, learns about citing credible sources and how to do a Reference list. If they don't, they wouldn't even be able write an essay that could be graded at all.
That's not a 'no true Scotsman fallacy'. It's an academic requirement.
I just finished hundreds of pages of research for a college paper on global warming. There are thousands of scientists who believe people are causing global warming, thousands more believe it is a natural cycle, and thousands more believe it isn't happening. The most concerning to me, were the ones willing to swear that they had been told to change their opinions by politicians.
The data from NASA says that the Earth cooled from 1940 to 1975. Warmed from 1975 to 1994 and had been almost static since then.
Al Gore predicted that the ice caps would be gone by 2013, but the Arctic cap is 50% bigger now than it was in 2012.
He predicted that the polar bears would die out, but the group that counts them says their population is the biggest it has been in 25 years.
Don't be sheep. read up on everything before you decide what is happening.
Oh, and the temperature sensors some of those groups are using were set out in the wild 35 years ago and have never been recalibrated.
Every claim you made in your post is demonstrably incorrect. Is this the sort of nonsense you wrote in your imaginary college paper for which you now claim you got an imaginary A from an imaginary professor from an imaginary college?
Just remember, if the climate scientist agrees with Ceist they are right, if they don't they are wrong.
Except that you'd have a real tough time finding them. Most of the scientists who argue against climate change aren't climatologists, geologists or meteorologists even, but from unrelated fields.
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I know. It's like trying to reason with a Creationist about evolution.
That's why I usually don't even bother discussing it with them anymore, I just mock them instead.
"Make no mistake, it will impact how our military defends our country," the president says in excerpts of a commencement address prepared for delivery Wednesday at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy in New London, Connecticut. "And so we need to act and we need to act now."
These guys never give up, every week he makes the same claims, even though we have not had any global warming for almost two decades now. Why would we listen to a guy anyway, whose every idea and policy has been a failure?
What an idiot.. He let ISIS become a global threat, he lets millions and millions of illegals pour across the boarder, gives guns to drug cartels, turns working Americans into the welfare generation, bombs innocent people with his private drinw war and just when you thought he or the very very few morons that support him could come up with anything worse kabam!
Do you really not understand what cherry-picking means? I guess if you only 'inform' yourself from the lowlight rubbish of political anti climate science bloggers and the tabloid press, you remain uninformed of just how overwhelming all the evidence is. So perhaps you don't even realise just how much you aren't even aware of.
So those peer reviewed papers demonstrating that there is a pause are also cherry picking?
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And no, you said 'the earth' had not warmed, not just the lower troposphere (which still has anyway).
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Yes the earth had warmed over the last century. Please quote me saying otherwise.... Yes, the rate of warming has deccalerated
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Picking one aspect (the troposphere) over a short period of time, ignoring the natural variability during that period (low TSI, more el Nina years etc),
I've already cited papers that give multiple theories as to why there has been a "pause"
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and starting from a high outlier anomaly to represent the whole trend of the whole earth, is not only dishonest, but painfully obvious. People who reject or ignore all the evidence behind mainstream climate science, yet un-sceptically swallow whatever nonsense they read on blogs or in the press because of their political or religious ideology, are only fooling themselves. They are the 'useful idiots' the propaganda merchants love.
So if it's so painfully obvious as you say then why the need to conduct multiple studies as to why the earth hasn't warmed as fast as the models have suggested?
PS: You also misrepresented the Levitas et al 2012 study (I have to doubt you even read it, or perhaps just didn't understand it)
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The heat content of the World Ocean for the 0–2000 m layer increased by 24.0 ± 1.9 × 1022 J (±2S.E.) corresponding to a rate of 0.39 W m−2 (per unit area of the World Ocean) and a volume mean warming of 0.09°C.
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PPS: Your claim the satellite data is more reliable than the earth surface thermometor data is spurious and shows you don't know much about how tropospheric temperature is 'measured' and how much adjustment and interpretation of the satellite data using software programs is required to get meaningful data.
From Carl Mears (senior research scientist with RSS)
"The denialists really like to fit trends starting in 1997, so that the huge 1997-98 ENSO event is at the start of their time series, resulting in a linear fit with the smallest possible slope"
"...surface temperature datasets, which I consider to be more reliable than satellite datasets (they certainly agree with each other better than the various satellite datasets do!). "
Of great concern to scientists is the lack of consistency in the way readings are taken and in the thermometer surroundings. Since most thermometers for which long-term records exist are in towns and cities, the effects of population growth and the construction of nearby roads, parking lots, runways and buildings may cause the temperature to rise a little due of urbanization. This temperature change may be an artifact of a local "asphalt effect" rather than a long-term widespread climate change.
INSTRUMENT ACCURACY; SHIPS OF OPPORTUNITY
While the temperature data collected by ships at sea is reported as a sea surface temperature, this data reflects water temperatures from about three to 60 feet below the surface - the level from which water is drawn into the ships.
The thousands of individual thermometers used to collect this data are not calibrated against a scientific standard, nor is there a method for verifying the accuracy of either the thermometers or the reports matching temperature readings to specific times and places.
Only in places where there are many overlapping observations can there be any confidence in their accuracy.
While obama is 'fighting' climate change, michelle is fighting smores.
They would even be believable in a super heroes comic book.
How is the history rewrite going that MO advocated in her speech in PR?
So one country is activiely taxing people to prevent global warming while the 'global comunity' is giving lip service at best. So what's the plan? How do we save the earth and when will we know? Do you think we alone can save the earth on time or will we need a superhero following a script form an old superman comic book where superman flies around the earth real fast to reverse time. guess MO gave him that idea as it requires history to be rewritten.
This just in today....Much of Vancouver Island is already on water restrictions, as our mountain snow pack is at a record low...(11% of average), and no rain in May.
"Make no mistake, it will impact how our military defends our country," the president says in excerpts of a commencement address prepared for delivery Wednesday at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy in New London, Connecticut. "And so we need to act and we need to act now."
These guys never give up, every week he makes the same claims, even though we have not had any global warming for almost two decades now. Why would we listen to a guy anyway, whose every idea and policy has been a failure?
The Defense Department identified climate change as a threat to national security back in the Bush Administration.
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