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Originally Posted by Fox Terrier
Therein lies just one of the problems. People have to pass a driver's test in order to drive a car, but in many states there is no mandatory training to own a gun of any sort (hand or long).
Makes no sense...
Carrying a gun is a RIGHT, endowed and protected by the US Constitution. Driving a car is a privledge allowed by the State.
I don't know if it is or isn't, but it doesn't matter either way. The fact is that 1. NJ is one of the lowest crime states and 2. There is no strict gun regulation anywhere in the U.S. so both your points are wrong.
Whether or not a single municipality in a single state has high or low crime is completely irrelevent.
NJ suburban areas have low crime due to education and income levels. It has nothing to do with gun laws. Take away education and wrath - ie Camden - and you get a crime ridden gun infested hell hole. Gun laws do nothing to stop that. If you want to live in a country with no gun rights then go to Mexico. It must be a zero gun crime utopia.
Take a look at this map of the mass shootings in America since 1982. It hasn't been an issue of race at all if you take time to read about the incidents. Usually it's someone a little crazy who has an axe to grind. Looks like no race is immune from it.
Can anyone even name any mass shootings of innocent Black people since 1970? That kind of violence was long behind us and now all the hatred is being stirred up again. How tragic.
american citizens don't have to go to a "voting class" or to a "free speech" class to exercise those enumerated rights & anyone suggesting such a requirement would be pilloried for doing so.
But there are restrictions on voting, and restrictions on free speech. Most states don't allow people to vote if convicted of crimes. Most states have citizenship rules for voting. Most states require official forms of identification for voting. All states have age minimums for voting. Why can't there also be restrictions on gun ownership?
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Originally Posted by Zippyman
Guns are already heavily regulated & one more law isn't going to make a difference amongst mass-murderers.
Definitely wrong. The U.S. has the weakest gun laws on earth, and every other country has much tougher gun laws and much lower gun-related crime. Quite the coincidence, no?
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Originally Posted by Zippyman
Might as well make murder illegal-er, it's the same principle, and would have the same results. (No benefit).
Nope, your (completely silly) analogy would be that we should make murder legal, because if we make it illegal, it won't stop bad dudes from killing people, so why bother?
NJ suburban areas have low crime due to education and income levels. It has nothing to do with gun laws. Take away education and wrath - ie Camden - and you get a crime ridden gun infested hell hole. Gun laws do nothing to stop that. If you want to live in a country with no gun rights then go to Mexico. It must be a zero gun crime utopia.
Mexico does have lower rates of gun-related crime.
And it's a stupid argument, because 1. Guns are not heavily regulated in Mexico and 2. We are comparing U.S. to developed nations, not third-world nations and 3. Most guns in Mexico come from the U.S. in the first place, so most of their gun-related crime is in part because of the NRA and U.S. gun nuts who want no regulation.
Why not compare to Germany, or Japan, or the UK, or other developed nations? Why don't they have gun-related crime? I thought the "bad guys" will get guns anyways, and these nations don't have lower crime than the U.S. in most cases, so they have plenty of "bad guys", yet gun-related crime is curiously nonexistent. I wonder why?
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Originally Posted by Beavertail
My hopes for Americans:
- Get rid of the guns. You don't need them.
- Move away from religion
- Put faith in your government. They'll not ALL bad people
- Learn about adaptation as it will help you to understand skin colouring better leading to less prejudice. Black people have dark skin as they were meant to live in a hot climate (adaption) and different features like wide nostrils so they could breathe in extreme heat. They have a different hair texture to help keep their bodies "cool" from the heat as well (hair grows up instead of straight).
Please continue to be a good subject of the queen. Yes our government IS pretty much MOSTLY bad people, at all levels. The rest are ignorant. Voted into office by uninformed uneducated populace. This is one reason Amerticans need our guns.
Skin color matters not to me. And, wow, your comment has to be one of the most racist I've read here.
That just goes to show how effective NJ gun laws are. The entire state can absorb the homicide rate in Camden and still have a very low gun murder rate overall.
It doesn't have a low gun murder rate. Wikipedia lists the per capital gun miser rate by state. Look at NJ and DC compared to Colorado and Idaho.
Clearly you know nothing about guns or defense. Tell every cop in the world their pistol is an offensive weapon. Goid grief.
A trained armed citizen will nearly always prevail over an untrained criminal.
Every mass shooter who has been acosted by an armed citizern or cop has immediately quit shooting victims and either given up, killed themselves or been killed.
I guaranty it would have made a difference.
Ask the folks that were standing in front of the Empire State Building a few years back how well that worked out...
Mexico does have lower rates of gun-related crime.
And it's a stupid argument, because 1. Guns are not heavily regulated in Mexico and 2. We are comparing U.S. to developed nations, not third-world nations and 3. Most guns in Mexico come from the U.S. in the first place, so most of their gun-related crime is in part because of the NRA and U.S. gun nuts who want no regulation.
Why not compare to Germany, or Japan, or the UK, or other developed nations? Why don't they have gun-related crime? I thought the "bad guys" will get guns anyways, and these nations don't have lower crime than the U.S. in most cases, so they have plenty of "bad guys", yet gun-related crime is curiously nonexistent. I wonder why?
You have a source for those claims?
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