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Old 06-19-2015, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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And Medicare, which a surprising number of people don't realize and which most Americans rely on in retirement.
Just for fun attend one of those teabagger rallies where the topic is "get the government out of our healthcare" and do a headcount on the number who are tooling around in their medicare provided electric carts

 
Old 06-19-2015, 02:21 PM
 
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Lastly, on blacks voting for Democrats, I really have trouble wrapping my mind around it. Sure I know what Lyndon Johnson did to try and shift them from supporting (R's) to (D's). But remember his heart was not pure no his motivations based on the welfare of black people. Instead it was a calculated effort to create a voting block of people to help himself and the (D) party. His infamous quote was in part;
... " I'll have them n iggers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years" - Lyndon Johnson 1963
First of all the ties between the Democratic Party and African Americans was set in 1932.

Second, African Americans have never been "sold" by the purity of any politicians heart.

Third, regarding the alleged quote by Johnson, using such language while trying to sell the Civil Rights Act to two governors seems to me to be a perfect example of Johnson's know your audience salesmanship. Abraham Lincoln was certainly no saint when it came to racial enlightenment yet because of what Lincoln and Grant did on the ground, African Americans bonded with the Republican Party for decades, even stayed with the Party after being sold out in 1877.

By the way, black is an adjective. It isn't a noun.
 
Old 06-19-2015, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Staten Island
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Obama doesn't care about anyone else execpt his poltical agenda. Obama said himself in his book that he would be whatever the people around him want him to be. He is a master at showing the world he is something his is not, and he is what he is when it suits him. He is a black man when it's convenient for him, a white man when it works for him, a Muslim when he has to be and finally he claims to be a Christian when it suits his needs too. The reality is he very well might be the anti-Christ.

The sad thing about Obama as a man and his Presidency is that he had the opportunity to be one of the greatest Presidents we ever had. He Squandered it with his arrogance, his determination to not compromise and work for every American, his constant need to settle political and personal scores by abusing his power, and last but not least his prejudice against everyone whom isn't black.

Even as a Republican I had high high hopes for the man and so badly wanted him to succeed but he was never able to get out of the way, or his own pettiness and insecurities.His inexperience as a leader shown through early and often. This country may never recover from Obama and his cronies, which in a way is exactly what Obama wanted. He wanted to change America. Mostly everyone agreed he wanted to change ot for the better. I think this is the America Obama always envisioned.
 
Old 06-19-2015, 02:48 PM
 
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Obama doesn't have to put race into it.

The killer did when he murdered those people and muttered BS about white women being raped by blacks.

When will you people wake up accept racist garbage for what it is? Stop sugar coating things, stop hiding things with finger pointing, stop typing away on your keyboards with your angry rhetoric. You can try and turn the situation around all you want and blame xyz for standing up for injustice.

But the fact remains, black lives don't matter.

We are murdered like dogs in this country, and honestly, are often treated like less than that.

Obama and every leader out there has every right to call racism out for what it is. He's probably one of the very few with cajones to do so.

Don't blame or point the finger at him: point it at every single passive aggressive poster on here who embodies hate and racism with their post; point it at anyone who sits on keyboards in dark rooms anonymously posting their garbage on City Data and other sites across the internet; point it at that piece of garbage who sat for an hour during that prayer meeting amongst those poor innocent souls, and who murdered them in cold blood...point at at all of those just like him who are inevitably given a slap on the wrist or found in some other passive way to be "punished" for the travesty they commit against mankind by taking innocent lives.

DO THAT!. But don't sit here and front like Obama is the problem here because he isnt.
 
Old 06-19-2015, 02:49 PM
 
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If you want me to continue to respond to your posts on this subject, you will either need to take the litmus test challenge, or retract your inaccurate assertion.

The choice is yours.

Of course if choose not to choose, you still have made a choice.

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Old 06-19-2015, 02:50 PM
 
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Simple, reread my last few sentences in the opening post to understand.
He should make a speech designed to heal/comfort and mourn the victims families and the nation.

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How many more healing, comfort, mourn does it takes to finally realize that there is something broke in the system....? Yes he had the right to talk about race because the victims were killed because they were black...
Yes he had to talk about guns because once again, if the shooter did not have a gun (which was given by its parents who should also be held accountable...) he would not have been able to commit such crime... But I guess if 20 kids at school wasn't enough then 9 black people in the south going to church won't be....
 
Old 06-19-2015, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Even as a Republican I had high high hopes for the man and so badly wanted him to succeed but he was never able to get out of the way, or his own pettiness and insecurities.His inexperience as a leader shown through early and often. This country may never recover from Obama and his cronies, which in a way is exactly what Obama wanted. He wanted to change America. Mostly everyone agreed he wanted to change ot for the better. I think this is the America Obama always envisioned.

Even as a Republican... ...say's it all right there, doesn't it...
 
Old 06-19-2015, 03:24 PM
 
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Vector1 what are you talking about? You must not realize that on almost EVERY issue, conservatives' policies disfavor black people, and it's a big reason why many people view the GOP as the party of racists. Conservatives oppose Medicaid and Obamacare, and guess which community largely benefits from those programs? Conservatives oppose affirmative action, so same situation there. The list goes on and on.

I'm not saying that all conservatives are racist, because they certainly are not. But there is zero doubt that the party whose policies and rhetoric attract racists is the Republican party. When the tea party says they want to "take back their country," the second implied part of that sentence is "from the black man in our white house."


I guess you did not watch the video for you to make such blanket statements like that.

First of all, I do not accept how your characterized conservative policies. You say they "disfavor blacks" as if to say their policies intentionally target blacks in a negative way.
The accurate way to put it would be to say they do not believe in special set asides for any group of people based on race. To use a simplistic example, if conservatives didn't favor programs that only give special treatment to old white people, are you going to accuse them of being ageist or racist against whites?
Yet you can believe the (D's) would want to give so called "freebies" out to any group they think will help them get enough votes to win an election.

Now the cynical say that is just politics, but many conservatives have the notion that every able-bodied person should pull their own weight in society. That does not play as well for those who have become dependent of government handouts.
But is that anti-black, or just pro everyone pitch in and be responsible for themselves?

BTW - There are more whites on Medicaid than blacks. Sure per capita more blacks receive it % wise in proportion to their numbers, but that must mean that the Tea Party is anti-white as well by your logic.

Heck Obama claimed everyone should have skin in the game regarding health care. Yet his signature plan is predicated on young healthy people paying for the medical care of the sick, irresponsible, and elderly.
Now some might say fine, but conservatives don't. If it is mismanaged as most government programs are, it will go bankrupt before the payers receive the fruits of their contribution(i.e. benefits). That is where Medicare and social security are heading, and those are programs where the government get money from every worker, every week.
How on earth are they going to manage a program where only a portion of the people are paying in, yet everyone is taking out?
Additionally the so called subsides are people are getting help to afford it (i.e. more taxpayer money taken from one group to fund another), and is nothing more than additional taxes on the already overburdened workers/producers.
But I digress.

Liberal policies foment dependency. It is not called slavery, but it essentially makes people beholden to a power structure.

Conservative principles, especially those of a fiscal nature empower the individual, regardless of race. So no, conservatives don't typically favor policies based on special treatment of people because of their gender, religion, sex, etc.

As to the absurd comment I highlighted, you can pretend to frame it in a way you think accurate, but it has nothing to do with race.
If Obama were a conservative, the Tea Party would support him. Any liberal, even a socialist like Bernie Sanders would be under attack by the Tea Party. They would want to take back the White House from him, but would you call that racism as well?

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Old 06-19-2015, 03:27 PM
 
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As to the capitalization aspect I will accept your explanation as I have no reason to question your veracity. That said, I do run into those who purposely use a lower case for whites, but capitalization for blacks.

PC is not limited to guilty white liberals. However maybe your disgust with the freaks despicable massacre clouded your judgment with what I was pointing out in this thread. If you read the other thread prior to Obama's speech, I think you will find that you and I are simpatico.

Lastly, on blacks voting for Democrats, I really have trouble wrapping my mind around it. Sure I know what Lyndon Johnson did to try and shift them from supporting (R's) to (D's). But remember his heart was not pure no his motivations based on the welfare of black people. Instead it was a calculated effort to create a voting block of people to help himself and the (D) party. His infamous quote was in part;
... " I'll have them n iggers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years" - Lyndon Johnson 1963

Still whites in the (D) party were the historical slave owners, bigots, members of the KKK, etc.

Watch this short video to get a better understanding on why I believe blacks have been bamboozled into voting against their own interests;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-oS4WLui3Q

Then let me know what you think.

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Will check that video out later...remember that the racist voting block left the Democrats and joined the Republicans after the passage of the Civil Rights Act...also remember that I pointed out that Republicans make extensive use of race baiting as part of their appeal...this makes them completely unpalatable to many Blacks...we know that our continued insistence on voting Democrat makes us largely irrelevant in politics beyond extra numbers in elections...believe it or not, Louis Farrakhan advocated that Blacks split their vote between both parties all the way back at the Million Man March...but its rough to side with the party of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh...the Democrats are the better of a bad pair
 
Old 06-19-2015, 03:28 PM
 
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Just for fun attend one of those teabagger rallies where the topic is "get the government out of our healthcare" and do a headcount on the number who are tooling around in their medicare provided electric carts
There was an older lady in my bowling league was head cheerleader for the Tea Party...meantime she lived quite nicely on a state worker's pension and health care for life. "I got mine, F the rest of you".
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