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Seems we have a strong correlation between the amount of concealed carry permits being issued and the murder rate. Some states have roughly 10% of their population with a concealed carry permit. An interesting take away is the growth in women permit holders.
Firearm ownership is more popular than ever and has been accepted as main stream. Even watching tv you see going to the gun range as normal acceptable behavior. Gun owners are winning!
The number of concealed carry handgun permits has skyrocketed since President Obama was first elected, while murder rates have fallen, according to a new report set to be released Wednesday.
Since 2007, the number of concealed handgun permits has soared from 4.6 million to over 12.8 million, according to the report from the Crime Prevention Research Center.
The number of people that carry concealed handguns is likely even higher, since permits are not required in seven states.
More women are getting permits than men, the report stated. Since 2007, permits for women have increased by 270 percent and for men by 156 percent.
At the same time, murder rates have fallen from 5.6 to 4.2 per 100,000, about a 25 percent drop. Overall violent crime also fell by 25 percent, according to the report. https://www.firearmspolicy.org/news/...s-soar-report/
And to be honest our second amendment rights are rights, we shouldn't need to justify them beyond that, and they're never going to get a amendment to change that.
Seems we have a strong correlation between the amount of concealed carry permits being issued and the murder rate. Some states have roughly 10% of their population with a concealed carry permit. An interesting take away is the growth in women permit holders.
Firearm ownership is more popular than ever and has been accepted as main stream. Even watching tv you see going to the gun range as normal acceptable behavior. Gun owners are winning!
The number of concealed carry handgun permits has skyrocketed since President Obama was first elected, while murder rates have fallen, according to a new report set to be released Wednesday.
Since 2007, the number of concealed handgun permits has soared from 4.6 million to over 12.8 million, according to the report from the Crime Prevention Research Center.
The number of people that carry concealed handguns is likely even higher, since permits are not required in seven states.
More women are getting permits than men, the report stated. Since 2007, permits for women have increased by 270 percent and for men by 156 percent.
At the same time, murder rates have fallen from 5.6 to 4.2 per 100,000, about a 25 percent drop. Overall violent crime also fell by 25 percent, according to the report. https://www.firearmspolicy.org/news/...s-soar-report/
So you are telling me the gun manufacturers got what they wanted by spooking people into believing that their guns were going to be taken away by Obama, man, people are too easy.
The number of gun owners in the US has been dropping. Those that do own guns are just buying more. Having a small percentage of people with concealed weapon permits doesn't mean crime goes up or down.
So you are telling me the gun manufacturers got what they wanted by spooking people into believing that their guns were going to be taken away by Obama, man, people are too easy.
Obama didn't have to play along by telling everyone he wanted to restrict people's second amendment rights and then pushed for bills doing just that.
It also doesn't help that most democratic controlled states don't allow average people to protect themselves outside of their home. Like in my county in California where you have to already be assaulted with a large chance of being assaulted again to even got a sniff a carry permit. Gun permits are for the rich and politically connected in blue counties of this state.
The number of gun owners in the US has been dropping. Those that do own guns are just buying more. Having a small percentage of people with concealed weapon permits doesn't mean crime goes up or down.
It does when you have a real chance of the person you are planning on attacking being able to defend themselves.
Criminals are not known for attacking the strongest individuals around.
In fact, criminals were surved about this very issue. I wonder how the responded?
81% of interviewees agreed that a “smart criminal” will try to determine if a potential victim is armed.
74% indicated that burglars avoided occupied dwellings, because of fear of being shot.
57% said that most criminals feared armed citizens more than the police.
40% of the felons said that they had been deterred from committing a particular crime, because they believed that the potential victim was armed.
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2012a/commsumm.nsf/b4a3962433b52fa787256e5f00670a71/5de089825c00843e872579b80079912d/$FILE/SenState0305AttachB.pdf
Obama didn't have to play along by telling everyone he wanted to restrict people's second amendment rights and then pushed for bills doing just that.
It also doesn't help that most democratic controlled states don't allow average people to protect themselves outside of their home. Like in my county in California where you have to already be assaulted with a large chance of being assaulted again to even got a sniff a carry permit. Gun permits are for the rich and politically connected in blue counties of this state.
I still wonder if it is coincidental that violent crimes are down when gun ownership is up. After all, most crimes are committed by young men 16-25. This is a demographic that has been shrinking since the last of the baby boomers turned 25 in 1985.
The number of gun owners in the US has been dropping. Those that do own guns are just buying more. Having a small percentage of people with concealed weapon permits doesn't mean crime goes up or down.
You keep trotting this out.
Do you have evidence that this is the case, or is it just some survey that confirms your opinion?
While NICS check numbers do not prove that more individuals are buying firearms, it does raise the possibility that they are. If concealed carry permit ownership has increased in ownership by 278% since 2007 (and that's on the low end since far more states permit constitutional carry in 2015 than only Alaska and Vermont did in 2007) it does show that more people are gaining permits, one may be able to imply that some of these are "new" gun owners.
Both of these together raise serious questions on the veracity of surveys showing the converse. Certainly the confidence factor of surveys showing lower numbers of gun owners should be seriously dissected for data errors.
S4L already dealt with the effect of gun ownership on criminals, but to explain simply, more suspected gun owners confers a "herd immunity" (we know that term from vaccinations), whether an individual has or has not a gun isn't pertinent to whether they're a target, it's the perception of the chance they may that is the driving factor.
I still wonder if it is coincidental that violent crimes are down when gun ownership is up. After all, most crimes are committed by young men 16-25. This is a demographic that has been shrinking since the last of the baby boomers turned 25 in 1985.
It may be coincidence, there is no dispute of this. However it does demonstrate that more guns does not directly contribute to more crime.
While most crime may be committed by 16-25 year olds and the last of the boomers hit the outer edge in 1985 it does not explain the early 90's UCR crime peak where the 25 year old boomers of 1985 would be 30 or older. It's not that simple.
It does when you have a real chance of the person you are planning on attacking being able to defend themselves.
Criminals are not known for attacking the strongest individuals around.
In fact, criminals were surved about this very issue. I wonder how the responded?
81% of interviewees agreed that a “smart criminal” will try to determine if a potential victim is armed.
74% indicated that burglars avoided occupied dwellings, because of fear of being shot.
57% said that most criminals feared armed citizens more than the police.
40% of the felons said that they had been deterred from committing a particular crime, because they believed that the potential victim was armed.
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2012a/commsumm.nsf/b4a3962433b52fa787256e5f00670a71/5de089825c00843e872579b80079912d/$FILE/SenState0305AttachB.pdf
If the weapon is concealed then how does a criminal know if the person has a gun? Also, smart criminal isn't that common.
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