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Old 07-16-2015, 01:04 PM
 
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Since most of the handouts are going to white people, many who will ever be employed again, and mostly have families with dependent children, it is a huge burden. And since most of that group are between 40 to 50 years of age, it is not one that will be going away any time soon. All that stuff is more likely to go to a homeowner who is working a part-time low wage job, or has lost the home, lived off the credit card until the card was cut up, and now is down to nothing.
I don't know where you are getting this idea that the people receiving handouts from, but the highest income age group in the USA is 45-57 years old. That is the age when Americans earn the highest income levels. in their lives. If anything, that would be the age group paying the lion's share of the taxes for any government run welfare programs.
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Old 07-16-2015, 03:27 PM
 
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Food stamps serving 46 million people is proof, in and of iself, that these welfare programs are expanded way beyond just serving the people who truly need the assistance.
I would call it proof that there aren't enough decent paying jobs in America. You do realize a good many of those 46 million are working, and not just unemployed "moochers", right?
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Old 07-16-2015, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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I don't know where you are getting this idea that the people receiving handouts from, but the highest income age group in the USA is 45-57 years old. That is the age when Americans earn the highest income levels. in their lives. If anything, that would be the age group paying the lion's share of the taxes for any government run welfare programs.
Yup. And the same age bracket is the most chronically unemployed on the other end of the scale.

It's very true that people make the most money at that age, until they lose their jobs, that is. Some workers in that age bracket have become bomb proof due to their experience and skills, while others have become vulnerable because they've gained seniority staying on the same job for years. Those jobs are often more profitable for the employer when a young person takes them for less money.

Once lost, the middle aged men who were once white collar workers have a very difficult time finding a job at the same pay level.
Once 6 months unemployed, their technical skill are already beginning to decay, and in many instances, especially with computer work, the skills become obsolete.
This forces the guy into taking a lesser position that he can still do, or forces him into a severe learning curve to catch up as fast as possible.
As often as not, there's a 27 year old who's already skilled in the latest developments sitting right beside him, working for less, and working even harder, so as to get a raise.

Or the job simply goes away forever. A lot of the low skill jobs like warehousing are all now totally done by robots. Other new robots are re-configurable, so they can perform many tasks with accuracy and speed a human cannot match.
Once more, the human jobs still available go to the young, who are much better able to keep up with the robot's pace than the middle-aged.

It's a new century that has left a lot of workers too young to retire and too old to keep up stranded. All these folks still need to be fed and sheltered, and many have children whose needs are at the highest level of dependency. Those middle-aged parents are willing to work, but often as not, all they can find is part-time, temporary or seasonal work. Many are working 3 jobs and are still not earning the income they once enjoyed. And many of them qualify for about every assistance program available as well.

They would love nothing more that to be able to move back into the same tax bracket they once found burdensome.
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Old 07-16-2015, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I always hear the same thing.

It's just free food.
It's just a free place for them to live.
It's just free healthcare.
It's just welfare.
It's just a free phone.
It's just free college.
It's just free internet.
It's just some disaster relief money.

The list just goes on and on. They just don't seem to realize that all these "benefits" add up to huge burdens. Maybe they would have more of an appreciation for it if they saw the government skimming 40% off of the top of every paycheck like I do.
Maybe if the Government raised the Minimum Wage to a "Livable" wage you wouldn't have so many people needing handouts.
You can't have it both ways. Either you raise wages or support people who can't support themselves even though they are the working poor.
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Old 07-16-2015, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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I always hear the same thing.

It's just free food.
It's just a free place for them to live.
It's just free healthcare.
It's just welfare.
It's just a free phone.
It's just free college.
It's just free internet.
It's just some disaster relief money.

The list just goes on and on. They just don't seem to realize that all these "benefits" add up to huge burdens. Maybe they would have more of an appreciation for it if they saw the government skimming 40% off of the top of every paycheck like I do.
It's easy to espouse liberal ideas when you're spending someone else's money.
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Old 07-16-2015, 08:55 PM
 
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Maybe if the Government raised the Minimum Wage to a "Livable" wage you wouldn't have so many people needing handouts.
You can't have it both ways. Either you raise wages or support people who can't support themselves even though they are the working poor.

Right. It worked fabulously the last 100 times we raised the minimum wage.
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Old 07-16-2015, 09:19 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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Right. It worked fabulously the last 100 times we raised the minimum wage.
And having food retailers offering food stamp applications with their job applications is excellent policy as well!
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Old 07-16-2015, 09:35 PM
 
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Right. It worked fabulously the last 100 times we raised the minimum wage.
It has been raised only 22 times since 1938. If they would just chain it to CPI increases, we wouldn't need to have these mundane partisan discussions.
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Old 07-16-2015, 09:36 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Right. It worked fabulously the last 100 times we raised the minimum wage.
Actually, there was a time when the minimum wage was a living wage, we also havent raised it 100 times, we have done it 20 times over 77 years.
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Old 07-16-2015, 09:37 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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It has been raised only 22 times since 1938. If they would just chain it to CPI increases, we wouldn't need to have these mundane partisan discussions.
If minimum wage was chained to inflation it would be under $4.50 an hour.
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