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was no hope for my surviving son. He was too tiny and too frail to be
viable. With my dangerously high blood pressure, a c-section would have
likely caused me to bleed to death, and inducing labor would have
stressed my system too much. My safest option was the procedure known
as an intact dilation and extraction.
Intact dialation and extraction IS labor. Dialation does not simply happen. Even a 23 week old fetus doesn't just easily slip through a birth canal. In an I.D.a.E the fetus is killed as it exits the vagina.
Now, did she have to stop her pregnancy right then? Perhaps. Did the fetus have to be killed as it exited the vagina to save her life?
No. Would it have survived? Maybe, maybe not, but it didn't have to be killed.
Intact dialation and extraction IS labor. Dialation does not simply happen. Even a 23 week old fetus doesn't just easily slip through a birth canal. In an I.D.a.E the fetus is killed as it exits the vagina.
Now, did she have to stop her pregnancy right then? Perhaps. Did the fetus have to be killed as it exited the vagina to save her life?
No. Would it have survived? Maybe, maybe not, but it didn't have to be killed.
This is what I don't understand. The doctor says the baby won't survive so he wants you to abort, in effect making you the killer. How horrible. I killed my baby because it was going to die anyway. Many women know this but they go ahead and deliver. They hold their babies and grieve and say goodbye. They don't need to feel like they killed them. Some doctors make it convenient for their schedule and not for the mental health for the mother.
This is what I don't understand. The doctor says the baby won't survive so he wants you to abort, in effect making you the killer. How horrible. I killed my baby because it was going to die anyway. Many women know this but they go ahead and deliver. They hold their babies and grieve and say goodbye. They don't need to feel like they killed them. Some doctors make it convenient for their schedule and not for the mental health for the mother.
it is a personal choice and one for the woman to make. some would not want to see their baby suffer for days on end before it dies. others as you said want to hold their child, either way it is not anything for strangers and people not involved personally with the pregnancy should be involved with in any shape or form.
Intact dialation and extraction IS labor. Dialation does not simply happen. Even a 23 week old fetus doesn't just easily slip through a birth canal. In an I.D.a.E the fetus is killed as it exits the vagina.
Now, did she have to stop her pregnancy right then? Perhaps. Did the fetus have to be killed as it exited the vagina to save her life?
No. Would it have survived? Maybe, maybe not, but it didn't have to be killed.
are you a doctor? were you there? if not, you don't know. why speculate?
Intact dialation and extraction IS labor. Dialation does not simply happen. Even a 23 week old fetus doesn't just easily slip through a birth canal. In an I.D.a.E the fetus is killed as it exits the vagina.
Now, did she have to stop her pregnancy right then? Perhaps. Did the fetus have to be killed as it exited the vagina to save her life?
No. Would it have survived? Maybe, maybe not, but it didn't have to be killed.
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Originally Posted by pknopp
Feel free to actually dispute anything I said. I am not speculating.
you posted....maybe, maybe not.....how is that not speculating? again you don't know unless you are a medical doctor taking care of this woman.
This is what I don't understand. The doctor says the baby won't survive so he wants you to abort, in effect making you the killer. How horrible. I killed my baby because it was going to die anyway. Many women know this but they go ahead and deliver. They hold their babies and grieve and say goodbye. They don't need to feel like they killed them. Some doctors make it convenient for their schedule and not for the mental health for the mother.
You bring up an excellent point that is usually overlooked. When does the mental health of the mother come into play when deciding if one should have an abortion?
Yes, I make all important election decision based on the "what if's" and the less than 1% chances of stupid scenarios happening.
Whatever your small mind can get itself around is sufficient.
This "1% scenario" as you put it actually speaks volumes about Walker and his priorities. Not to mention his obvious ignorance on the subject. He's just totally pretending like the woman will never die or be in jeopardy when pregnant
You bring up an excellent point that is usually overlooked. When does the mental health of the mother come into play when deciding if one should have an abortion?
Not early or often enough IMHO.
I once explained to an ex that i would be at strong risk for postpartum psychosis given my family history which is one of many reasons i chose not to have kids. This very well educated man actually said to me "So what, that would only last a little while." (??!!!) 1. My mental health is not worth sacrificing for a potential 1-2 years just to incubate his DNA. 2. In that "little while," i could possibly kill all 3 of us.
Anecdotally, rates of post partum depression and psychosis are very underestimated from what i have personally observed evaluating various suicidal and homicidal people.
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1. My mental health is not worth sacrificing for a potential 1-2 years just to incubate his DNA. 2. In that "little while," i could possibly kill all 3 of us. 
