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I guess it is only fair to challenge ones' perceptions and what we are raised with. My family from the South raised me on wonderful books about black people, Brer bear and wonderful stores. Never heard a mean word said about a black person so I approached many of the demands since the 60's with an open mind. After decades of watching the black narrative explode onto our streets and televisions I have been vividly impressed that while the majority of black people are hard working, there is a cult of dysfunction that is attempting to destroy America. Supported by a shameful president and an equally broken AG the myth or persecution continues. As I watch this I sense an impossibility in fixing it.
When Watts happened a new medical center was built. King Drew was built for the community to provide care to the local population. It had a medical school and more. A shining example of what community could do. Over the next 40 years the black administration, doctors and nurses drove it into the ground. Nurses showed up for work turned off patient alarms and slept. Politicians and administrators kept blaming others and eventually the hospital was closed by the Federal government for poor care. The LA Times won the Pulitzer for it's profile of the hospital. I was there at ground zero as a clinician trying to help out.
Since then. I have watched more closely. Mike Brown was a thug and a criminal who was killed in the act of trying to kill a police officer. Now Ferguson MO still walks around chanting "hands up don't shoot" as if that is real. The president sent representatives to his family which included his step father with his pants' round his knees spurring on chants of "burn the ***** down" and was never charged. The family filed a lawsuit despite the grand jury and the Federal Gov't finding no evidence of police misconduct....the the brave cop had to resign and cannot find a job as reported last week.
It's painful to know that a good man keeping the peace is punished for doing it. This is a scourge and a power play for control. I was heartened to see the arrests in Ferguson MO and cops treating these rioters like the wild animals which they are. Vicious and bent on something other than becoming a functional member of society.
So as I look down the road, the best thing which I can do is make the decision that so many others have made with a subtle eye to the man next to them, acknowledge that they are really lost children abandoned in a world by their missing fathers and pray for their awakening to the larger world. Life isn't easy. I used to joke with one of my closet friends who was black when he would accuse me of "white privilege" that when I was lost in my twenties and walking pavement day after day I was alone...and he was with his brothers. My path was ultimately productive as I kept my head down and worked every day, taking in valuable counsel and following it. Now the hill I stand on while small has a pretty good viewpoint.
If you are enraged be so. I am also about the senseless murders of young black men. Go to law school, go to medical school and make a difference be with it and it will be with you.
Every group has dysfunction. The media is giving the most dysfunctional blacks the loudest voice. Exploits and profits off them just as they have been doing sense the media first came around. This gives them more power and makes a lot of whites believe this is how most blacks are. Most black folks don't think a lot of things the ones on TV do are not right but they are silent. They cannot speak out against the people that hurt there image just like whites can't. No one understands or loves anyone not even themselves while our power and influence escape. a sad state of affairs.
There is a faction in this country that is encouraging this disfunction and behavior. Some folks WANT this...and I wouldn't be surprised if something big...a huge riot, bombings, etc...happen just in time for "martial law" to be declared right before the next election. I hope I'm wrong.
This gives them more power and makes a lot of whites believe this is how most blacks are. Most black folks don't think a lot of things the ones on TV do are not right but they are silent. They cannot speak out against the people that hurt there image just like whites can't. No one understands or loves anyone not even themselves while our power and influence escape. a sad state of affairs.
I do a lot of work around black concrete crews, during every placement, the black crew will holler, scream,MF this MF that , N.......... this, N......... that, and there usually will be a fight or two. Now these crews work with the same people for years and they still fight, after about six hours of this and you get a head ache and just want them to shut up.
The problem is, this is typically with all totally black crews, not just this one but many, I think its a trait of who being top dog.
There are some 100% Mexican concrete crews too, and they are quiet, peaceful, no body says anything but the foreman, and he usually with a quiet voice.
Now here the deal. Mexican crew are taking 70% of the work. Even if they are illegal, they are better to work with. The black crews are shooting themselves in the foot and are not seeing it. They don't want to see it.
This has to do with acting white so bare with me. If the construction company has all the money and they are majority white in management, would you want to act like them no matter what race you are. The Mexican crews are doing this. neat, polite, good english, pull their pants up
I once saw two Mexicans get into it, within seconds the other in the crew had both away from the other and behind the work trucks. They take care of them own. Black will holler and scream, roll around on the ground.
I would bet within ten years, the black community will be replaced in the construction fields, it getting smaller every day. From last years its down 50%
I do a lot of work around black concrete crews, during every placement, the black crew will holler, scream,MF this MF that , N.......... this, N......... that, and there usually will be a fight or two. Now these crews work with the same people for years and they still fight, after about six hours of this and you get a head ache and just want them to shut up.
The problem is, this is typically with all totally black crews, not just this one but many, I think its a trait of who being top dog.
There are some 100% Mexican concrete crews too, and they are quiet, peaceful, no body says anything but the foreman, and he usually with a quiet voice.
Now here the deal. Mexican crew are taking 70% of the work. Even if they are illegal, they are better to work with. The black crews are shooting themselves in the foot and are not seeing it. They don't want to see it.
This has to do with acting white so bare with me. If the construction company has all the money and they are majority white in management, would you want to act like them no matter what race you are. The Mexican crews are doing this. neat, polite, good english, pull their pants up
I once saw two Mexicans get into it, within seconds the other in the crew had both away from the other and behind the work trucks. They take care of them own. Black will holler and scream, roll around on the ground.
I would bet within ten years, the black community will be replaced in the construction fields, it getting smaller every day. From last years its down 50%
They are doing it to themselves.
So you're using one particular experience to judge othet black people.
Ok. I get it.
Blacks are the Borg. There is one giant black person in the room.
Blacks don't have individual personalities, but they all are the same no matter what. Great job.
Every group has dysfunction. The media is giving the most dysfunctional blacks the loudest voice. Exploits and profits off them just as they have been doing sense the media first came around. This gives them more power and makes a lot of whites believe this is how most blacks are. Most black folks don't think a lot of things the ones on TV do are not right but they are silent. They cannot speak out against the people that hurt there image just like whites can't. No one understands or loves anyone not even themselves while our power and influence escape. a sad state of affairs.
When whites have these similar issues it's usually not labeled "dysfunction".
I'm sure there are beautiful stories happening in the black community, and America in general but it's usually not reported.
Every group has dysfunction. The media is giving the most dysfunctional blacks the loudest voice.
While you may be correct in some instances, my experience has taught me that the opposite is true if not overwhelmingly true, to the point of making your argument moot.
I do a lot of work around black concrete crews, during every placement, the black crew will holler, scream,MF this MF that , N.......... this, N......... that, and there usually will be a fight or two. Now these crews work with the same people for years and they still fight, after about six hours of this and you get a head ache and just want them to shut up.
Funny, I've been working with black folks all my life and I've never seen such behavior. I guess you are just lucky.
I do a lot of work around black concrete crews, during every placement, the black crew will holler, scream,MF this MF that , N.......... this, N......... that, and there usually will be a fight or two. Now these crews work with the same people for years and they still fight, after about six hours of this and you get a head ache and just want them to shut up.
The problem is, this is typically with all totally black crews, not just this one but many, I think its a trait of who being top dog.
There are some 100% Mexican concrete crews too, and they are quiet, peaceful, no body says anything but the foreman, and he usually with a quiet voice.
Now here the deal. Mexican crew are taking 70% of the work. Even if they are illegal, they are better to work with. The black crews are shooting themselves in the foot and are not seeing it. They don't want to see it.
This has to do with acting white so bare with me. If the construction company has all the money and they are majority white in management, would you want to act like them no matter what race you are. The Mexican crews are doing this. neat, polite, good english, pull their pants up
I once saw two Mexicans get into it, within seconds the other in the crew had both away from the other and behind the work trucks. They take care of them own. Black will holler and scream, roll around on the ground.
I would bet within ten years, the black community will be replaced in the construction fields, it getting smaller every day. From last years its down 50%
They are doing it to themselves.
Funny post. I have worked with many a concrete crew and general contractor, many of which are black owned companies. Many of the hispanic companies don't do all that great of a job. There is a stereotype that they are "hard working" but IMO and experience in overseeing construction contracts I have had the most issues with predominantly hispanic crews. One of my best contractors said he loved them since he made a lot of money fixing their mistakes - he was a black general contractor.
You make a lot of generalizations with your post. I guess the thread is just another opportunity for you to speak of how one experience you had is representative of all black people in the country.
I have not seen a decrease in black small general contractors. If anything, I have seen an increase since the economic turnaround and I work in contracting/procurement and I issue contracts to various types of companies for various types of contracts including operations/maintenance related and capital construction.
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I guess it is only fair to challenge ones' perceptions and what we are raised with. My family from the South raised me on wonderful books about black people, Brer bear and wonderful stores. Never heard a mean word said about a black person so I approached many of the demands since the 60's with an open mind. After decades of watching the black narrative explode onto our streets and televisions I have been vividly impressed that while the majority of black people are hard working, there is a cult of dysfunction that is attempting to destroy America. Supported by a shameful president and an equally broken AG the myth or persecution continues. As I watch this I sense an impossibility in fixing it.
When Watts happened a new medical center was built. King Drew was built for the community to provide care to the local population. It had a medical school and more. A shining example of what community could do. Over the next 40 years the black administration, doctors and nurses drove it into the ground. Nurses showed up for work turned off patient alarms and slept. Politicians and administrators kept blaming others and eventually the hospital was closed by the Federal government for poor care. The LA Times won the Pulitzer for it's profile of the hospital. I was there at ground zero as a clinician trying to help out.
Since then. I have watched more closely. Mike Brown was a thug and a criminal who was killed in the act of trying to kill a police officer. Now Ferguson MO still walks around chanting "hands up don't shoot" as if that is real. The president sent representatives to his family which included his step father with his pants' round his knees spurring on chants of "burn the ***** down" and was never charged. The family filed a lawsuit despite the grand jury and the Federal Gov't finding no evidence of police misconduct....the the brave cop had to resign and cannot find a job as reported last week.
It's painful to know that a good man keeping the peace is punished for doing it. This is a scourge and a power play for control. I was heartened to see the arrests in Ferguson MO and cops treating these rioters like the wild animals which they are. Vicious and bent on something other than becoming a functional member of society.
So as I look down the road, the best thing which I can do is make the decision that so many others have made with a subtle eye to the man next to them, acknowledge that they are really lost children abandoned in a world by their missing fathers and pray for their awakening to the larger world. Life isn't easy. I used to joke with one of my closet friends who was black when he would accuse me of "white privilege" that when I was lost in my twenties and walking pavement day after day I was alone...and he was with his brothers. My path was ultimately productive as I kept my head down and worked every day, taking in valuable counsel and following it. Now the hill I stand on while small has a pretty good viewpoint.
If you are enraged be so. I am also about the senseless murders of young black men. Go to law school, go to medical school and make a difference be with it and it will be with you.
Peace. Out.
I don't understand your reason for this post. For me it just shows that too many people believe what they see on TV and think that every media story about black people represents the lives and situations of all black people.
No one can "accuse" you of white privilege also. You just have it by nature of being white. The fact that you wrote this thread about "black dysfunction" and didn't speak about dysfunction in general or the fact that whites have just as much "dysfunction" as black people, is indicative that you view black people as inferior to you based on skin color alone.
I also am intrigued that you mentioned "Brer Bear." The stories stolen from black America by a white southern man. Interesting that you based your "positive" view on blacks from an upbringing of these stories alone and that you delved into media images and a book as the basis for your views on race.
Newsflash to you - black people overwhelmingly are not poor or "enraged" nor are we doing poorly in life based on some perceived lack of productivity. Your view and post is not based in the reality of boring old black life. Just because your parents read you Joel Chandler Harris and you watched some riots on the news 50 years apart (Watts an Ferguson) doesn't mean that either of those represents black people or a particular "dysfunction" that can only be associated with black people. I am black and have never been to LA/Watts or Ferguson or participated in any riot or worked at a hospital. You should learn in your later years that the stories you are still being showed are not the truth about 40 million people. There was recently a story where I live about a white man stabbing his whole family, killing one of them and the others are hanging onto life in ICU. I don't think that that family's dysfunction is your dysfunction it is their own. Watts' dysfunction is related to that area, not all black people. Ferguson's dysfunction IMO is not even representative of that community since many people traveled there from other places, I'm sure with the intent on causing issues last year and this year. I can think for myself in this regard and not have the media tell me that Ferguson is only about black people in Ferguson.
We all need to come out of our holes and put on our thinking caps.
Every group has dysfunction. The media is giving the most dysfunctional blacks the loudest voice. Exploits and profits off them just as they have been doing sense the media first came around. This gives them more power and makes a lot of whites believe this is how most blacks are. Most black folks don't think a lot of things the ones on TV do are not right but they are silent. They cannot speak out against the people that hurt there image just like whites can't. No one understands or loves anyone not even themselves while our power and influence escape. a sad state of affairs.
These people are paid protestors......this is where the problem lies.
They're being paid to tear it up, bet if the money wasn't there they would be home playing video games.
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