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Old 08-22-2015, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Newsflash: China has not been communist for a long time, even under the common usage expansionary version of the world.
Yes it is.
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Old 08-22-2015, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Yes it is.
What percentage of the means of production is owned by the Chinese government?
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Old 08-22-2015, 11:11 AM
 
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What percentage of the means of production is owned by the Chinese government?
Depends which aspects of China you look at. Industry is a mixture of public and private, with tax rates about comparable to the U.S.

The banks are still entirely government owned, so they decide which businesses and projects will get financed, even if the government still isn't managing production directly.

Government still owns all of the media and all of the land (though buildings can be privately owned on that land.

The entire country is still controlled by the Communist party, meaning that officials make decisions on behalf of industry and production in terms of support.

So, it's a mixed bag.
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Old 08-22-2015, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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What percentage of the means of production is owned by the Chinese government?
The Chinese Peoples Republic owns over 60% of Chinese business and in important sectors like Banking, Public Utilities, Transport, Energy and Military support it is 100%.Most of China's basic industrial goods like steel, chemicals and aerospace is 100% State owned and in some cases state run. For example serving officers in the People's Liberation Army run the factories making weapons, missiles and combat vehicles (armor, helos, airplanes and ships). The Chinese don't see a compelling need to own or run every corner shop, gas station, fast food joint or barber salon but the view it as essential to own and run China's telephones or Internet. Such is 21st Century Socialism with Chinese characteristics.
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Old 08-22-2015, 12:12 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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I agree.

I started out as a Republican.

Then got to the phase where I would with either party, depending on the individual candidate.

Now I'm a solid Democrat. And it all is because of the kind of candidates we're getting. Now I'm afraid to vote Republican.
I am rapidly headed towards becoming an independent conservative. Trump may well be the straw that finally breaks the camel's back and sends me to the Board of Elections website to change my voter status to 'not affiliated with a party'. Im not a RINO ... but I am not a lunatic wingnut either.

I am 27 and I have tons of friends who would otherwise be Republicans if it were not for the endless attacks on minorities, immigrants, gays, and the social conservatism ("morals crusade").
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Old 08-22-2015, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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I agree.

I started out as a Republican.

Then got to the phase where I would with either party, depending on the individual candidate.

Now I'm a solid Democrat. And it all is because of the kind of candidates we're getting. Now I'm afraid to vote Republican.
Now you are a progressive liberal or, modern democrat. No more fear mongering, socialism is on it's way, your choice of candidates ensures so.
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I, for one, do not fear Socialism as a way to provide income and services to the 90% of us that did not become industrial or financial 1 percenters. Socialism does not mean government ownership as much as it means government control of the "natural" monopolies as health care, electric power supply, communications and most public utilities. it also is generally associated with very progressive tax systems that place most of the cost of operating the government on the people, as illustrated by their wealth, that have benefited by government protection and, often, assistance.

The Scandinavian Socialist system are good illustrations of how the wealth can still prosper while the rest of the population can also prosper as both workers and small business owners.
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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When I read these type threads, I wonder if there is a place like the conservatives want, where everyone's thoughts are policed, and folks hold on to and parrot outdated ideas in perpetuity. Oh yeah, the Middle East. Seems like the Taliban, ISIS, etc. are a good example of culture where you think like the group or else. If I compare those places with commie countries like Sweden, Norway, or Canada, I guess I'd prefer the commies.
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Old 08-22-2015, 10:29 PM
 
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The Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore. Does being afraid of something that doesn't exist anymore make sense? None of my college professors talked about Communism circa 1970, when we were still having the Cold War. I met one person who identified as socialist back them. The Soviet Union & The US were on same side in WW II. Then arms race bankrupted both. No winners in idiotic wars except defense contractors who often sell to both sides.

We had a speaker from John Birch Society (certainly no Communists) who said individual municipalities should be able to decide the drug laws. This at a time Nixon signed Controlled Substances Act of 1970, allowing for 20 years in prison for harmless people who used God's best plant, cannabis ("marijuana"). It doesn't cause death or insanity in anyone, smoking it can prevent suicides, other violence & control pain. Cannabis oil can help 250+ medical conditions. often curing stage IV cancers & more. But Nixon & Co. wanted to arrest blacks, poor, & young, so their common pleasure was criminalized.

Cannabis oil was in pharmacies from 1850s til as late as 1937. Until 1914 even kids could buy it without a prescription. Over 1 billion have used cannabis since Genesis with no deaths. Those mixing up who knows what chemicals in labs can't duplicate it & their pills kill 265,000 a year in US. But any industry that takes in $2 trillion a year must be the good guys, just because they're not Communists?

The phony war on some drugs has caused US to imprison at 5 times the rate of other countries. Most don't think imprisoning harmless people is right, especially in a country that pretends to offer freedom. We have greedom, that is, more freedom for millionaires & billionaires than others. Why not equal freedom for all, which is what the Libertarian Party considers best?

Do you really believe billionaires should pay no taxes, stash their money overseas where IRS can't touch it & then force people who are hardly getting by to pay more tax, which still isn't enough? When billionaires stash away mega trillions, nearly the whole economy & govt are beyond broke, as are banks. Can we/should we bail them out? What should be done so people survive? Part time jobs at minimum wage don't allow anyone to buy food & shelter & other necessities. Best wishes.


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I have seen this movie at least 50 times and I think every kid in this country should watch this movie.

In my opinion, Liberals are nothing but uneducated people who mostly have a very limited knowledge of Economics and American history.

I think any person who is reasonably intelligent would agree with what they say. If you don't agree with it, then you are probably a Marxist or a Communist.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh0ZrpPDe_Y
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Old 08-23-2015, 12:11 AM
 
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I agree with much of what you write. I read China is the most polluted country & U.S. is second. I'm told & believe the FDA is largely the lobbying organization of the pill companies. As an example, since Gerald Ford in 1976, pill cos. got exclusive rights to determine who gets taxpayer money to research cannabis ("marijuana"). If the researcher wants to find harms, they get the money. Lie & get rich! If researcher wanted to find good things, sorry no money. Cannabis kills 0 of over 1 billion users since Genesis, but pills kill 265,000 a year in US alone! Anti-depressants causing suicides!

Most food contains chemicals/drugs & food is killing about 500,000 Americans a year, more than tobacco! But could tobacco catch up, now that they've allowed phony fire retardants? The military has a close relation with pill cos. Military: Can you make anti-dote for chemical warfare virus? Pill co: Sure, but 1st we have to create the virus. Have to wonder who all the people are who get viruses this way?

The EPA publishes maps showing the approximate sites where various toxins are buried. In most large cities there are hundreds if not thousands of these sites. You can see them on city-data.com/ which also says if your city has high or moderate radon gas risk for lung cancer.

It's plenty obvious to me that voting for bribed Democrats & Republicans (which is majority in Congress & Dem & Rep Presidents), may be voting for increased poisons. When governments become killers, how much does the economic system matter? Should most people be made poor by socialist governments, or by employers who pay workers 0.1%-1% of what execs get? What's the alternative to both? Unions?
Libertarian Gary Johnson said of unions they won't let me fire worst worker or give bonus to best.

Is it possible if corporate execs had much less money, that they couldn't pay pols enough to get them to OK killing more of us? Anyone have solutions? Best wishes.



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And communist countries are not as safe as non-communist countries. And republicans desire to abolish the EPA and FDA as a favor to large corporations. Without the EPA large corporations would put dangerous chemicals in all our water supply, and without the FDA we would be eating unsafe foods and medicines. But republicans want everyone living like USSR nuclear submarine crews who got cancer, or getting poisoned like USSR citizens did with USSR nuclear accidents.[/quote]
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