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Old 08-16-2015, 06:26 PM
 
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I was a late bloomer and didn't really start dating until I was well into my 20s and lost my virginity closer to 30 than 20. Maybe that's why I don't see what all the fuss is about. I mean really, sex is overrated, and so are relationships. And yet, society expects me and other men to do x,y and z to "impress women" and "get girls" and go through all these hopes, do all this effort, just to attract a female. And once we get said female we are suppose to "grow up" and basically prostitute ourselves to a 9-5, even if we hate said 9-5, give up our own ambitions in favor of having kids, supporting a wife (so much for "independent women") and family and have no dreams aside from maybe getting a McMansion.

Enter MGTOW, an idea that was around before it had a name. It is about men rejecting the ideas of society and not denying ourselves to satisfy some woman's expectations or what society expects of men. It is NOT about men who don't want to grow up. The opposite, actually: I have a nice job, pay my own bills and even volunteer at a local animal shelter. I just don't spend any more time pursuing women because relationships as a whole are really not worth it. I would rather spend my time becoming a better writer of horror and fantasy or backpacking than trying to meet women at bars or online.

And it is not about hating women. I have more female friends than I do male friends. I have nothing against women as a whole. We don't believe women should be back in the kitchen. Most of us understand that women should be free to pursue whatever ambition they desire. Likewise, we want our own dreams to be OURS and not what society tells us. MGTOW is not anti-woman, but it is pro-men being free and liberated. Women do not have to stay in the kitchen and with the kids any more (thank God) and men don't have to climb the corporate ladder and jump through hopes to attract women and be hubbies anymore (thank God)

Also, MGTOW is as much a middle-finger to the older generation of men as it is to certain (but not all) women. We are telling our fathers and grandfathers that we see the lies they didn't see and that we know why they have grown into old, bitter men: they fell for it. The idea that I as a male have to become a walking ATM machine for a baby-factory who doesn't really care for me and I have to sell my soul for a "dream" of an ugly house filled with brats is dead. That McMansion is a gilded cage...emphasis on the cage part

And finally it is not about feminism. It may have been inspired by some ideas of feminism (if women can be liberated, than so can we) but this is not men giving up because women "refuse to be ladies". Even if I was around "Stepford Wife" kind of women I would still not want to go back to dating...in fact, that would be even worse! At least modern women can actually work and provide something material to a relationship in theory. Back in the day they were just free-loaders. Honestly: is a relationship and sex so important that I would give up my freedom to a free-loader? Not for me, it isn't, and not for a growing number of men.

That is what MGTOW is. It is men's liberation finally here and finally spreading. Deal with it

 
Old 08-16-2015, 06:29 PM
 
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What?
 
Old 08-16-2015, 06:43 PM
 
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If you wanted to give up sex you could have just gone ahead and got married.
 
Old 08-16-2015, 06:46 PM
 
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Yay you, carry on because honestly you are the only one who cares what you do and how you live your life.
 
Old 08-16-2015, 06:47 PM
 
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Can't say I blame you. I am female and am starting to feel the same way about men. I have a child that I support, so we are different in that regard, but I do agree with a lot of your post OP.
 
Old 08-16-2015, 06:48 PM
 
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Originally Posted by victorianpunk;40846806.
It is NOT worth the hassle and I have better things to do with my life.
I understand and know where you coming from
 
Old 08-16-2015, 06:48 PM
 
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Can't blame them. The selection of women just keep getting fatter.
 
Old 08-16-2015, 06:52 PM
 
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Well, at least you're not bitter about it.
 
Old 08-16-2015, 06:57 PM
 
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Yeah, I definitely can understand what the OP is addressing.

I do not hate women, or anyone for that matter. But I grew up during the time when the Femifuglies were pushing the nonsense full steam........I believe this made me very wary of having a family and kids.

American society and the Fedgov has been catering to women and feminism for a LONG time. Women, for the most part, seem to be puffed-up with all the brainwashing and lies they have been fed.

The effects range from women being the only ones raising young boys.....very, very bad idea. To an outright devastation of families by way of single mothers irresponsibly having kids.

Actually, the worst players in this whole mess are the brainwashed Maginas......them dudes make me sick.......legitimately defend yourself when a woman is attacking you and expect a Mangina to football-kick you in the head.
 
Old 08-16-2015, 07:02 PM
 
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The OP sounds like a child who doesn't know much about the world yet. How many generations of children said the same thing (including mine as children of the 60's)? But it's good he won't marry and have kids, thus ending his bloodline.

BTW, OP, you deal with it. The rest of us don't give a crap about you.
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