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Along with everyone with any understanding of how things get priced? Fine.
Most criminals are repeat offenders. They only need one gun for all offenses. Guns last generations. Guns are way easier to come by than you think. Every city has gun trading web sights. I guarantee you that you can find a local website near you and buy a firearm. You buy from a private party meet them locally and buy with no paperwork. All perfectly legal.
Here is one near me.... There are hundreds like it all over the country. ARMSLIST - Orlando Firearms Classifieds
This is closer to what I'd expect if we did have strict regulation on guns. They wouldn't disappear, but the combination of limited supply and limited contacts to get them, would make it much harder for criminals to get them.
The question becomes would America be better off having 10 criminals who can get a gun because of some casual acquaintance or one criminal who can get a gun because he knows some people, and jumped through a bunch of hoops? I'd take one criminal who had to do a bunch of networking and jumping around.
dreamer. just because you make guns harder to get for the la abiding citizen, does not mean you will make it harder for the criminal element to get guns.
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The big difference between gun regulation and drug/alcohol regulation is that drugs & alcohol can be made by anyone. It doesn't take a whole lot of skill to grow drugs or make alcohol, which means that there's a lot of potential sources for them, which makes controlling/regulating much harder.
Gun-making is not some enterprise you can run from your bathroom. That means you have much fewer places where they can come from, which makes regulating them, much easier.
Comparing a black market for guns to the black markets for drugs & alcohol is comparing apples to oranges.
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Yeah, you have to have a garage and a drill press...
a good lathe would be better than a drill press thank you.
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A rpg doesnt fit nicely in a pocket like a gun and cant be reloaded like a gun. Its about convenient use as well as price.
Also with new 3d printers you can for a price print and build a workable gun
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RPGs also have the problem of being a single shot weapon, where as guns tend to be loaded up with more rounds at a time, thus you reload less often. the only advantage of the RPG is the explosive capability of the round. if you want to rob a 7-11, you are not going to use an RPG, but rather something a little more concealable and with more rounds at hand, like a 1911 colt autoloader.
You will never know if gun control can work in America until it is tried... and it has never been tried.
You can't ban guns in Chicago and then expect that they won't come in from any other part of the state or the country. Controlling guns would mean removing them completely from the entire country.
Until you do that, you will never be able to make this claim.
You will never know if gun control can work in America until it is tried... and it has never been tried.
You can't ban guns in Chicago and then expect that they won't come in from any other part of the state or the country. Controlling guns would mean removing them completely from the entire country.
Until you do that, you will never be able to make this claim.
Because the government is known for removing ineffective laws from the books, if that was the case they would have removed hundreds of usless gun laws already.
You don't know that banning of peanuts on America would lead to a reduction of cancer until it is tried. Let's ban all peanuts.
I volunteer you to be th first one to try and confiscate guns.
- Having fewer guns available DOES reduce violent crime, by definition. Disagreeing with that is just idiocy. One can look up violent crime rates by nation online and notice that ones with better gun control laws generally have less violent crime.
- How is having more guns going to reduce crime? Are we all going to be carrying a loaded weapon at all times, ready to shoot anybody "threatening?" Because if that's not what you're doing, than tossing another gun into the mix really makes no improvement. Gun nuts seem to think that bad guys duel sadly unarmed heroes at high noon in the town square... in reality, they shoot you in the back, kill you as you wake from your sleep, or gun you down in drive-by while you're sitting on your porch. Having a gun with you in almost any of those situations would not change the outcome in any way... unless you're just going to shoot anyone suspicious, and that's a road we don't want to travel down as a nation.
- If we're going to say gun laws don't work because "then only outlaws have guns," we can apply that same stupid "logic" to all laws. All laws "don't work" because "only outlaws will break them." So, no point in having laws at all then... friggin idiocy.
- Finally, few people, if any, actually want to get rid of all the guns. But many people, myself included, are tired of the various loopholes and ways around background checks that allow nuts to get guns; we're also tired of "more guns!" being the answer to all forms of gun violence.
Almost 1 million felons, people with restraining orders and others have been prevented from buying a gun in the past decade because of background checks, it needs to be expanded.
- Having fewer guns available DOES reduce violent crime, by definition. Disagreeing with that is just idiocy. One can look up violent crime rates by nation online and notice that ones with better gun control laws generally have less violent crime.
- How is having more guns going to reduce crime? Are we all going to be carrying a loaded weapon at all times, ready to shoot anybody "threatening?" Because if that's not what you're doing, than tossing another gun into the mix really makes no improvement. Gun nuts seem to think that bad guys duel sadly unarmed heroes at high noon in the town square... in reality, they shoot you in the back, kill you as you wake from your sleep, or gun you down in drive-by while you're sitting on your porch. Having a gun with you in almost any of those situations would not change the outcome in any way... unless you're just going to shoot anyone suspicious, and that's a road we don't want to travel down as a nation.
- If we're going to say gun laws don't work because "then only outlaws have guns," we can apply that same stupid "logic" to all laws. All laws "don't work" because "only outlaws will break them." So, no point in having laws at all then... friggin idiocy.
- Finally, few people, if any, actually want to get rid of all the guns. But many people, myself included, are tired of the various loopholes and ways around background checks that allow nuts to get guns; we're also tired of "more guns!" being the answer to all forms of gun violence.
You are probably one of the ones that thinks banning drugs has prevented people from using drugs. The people who cannot pass a background check are more likely to get their crime guns on the street illegaly or from a straw purchased, which is also illegal. Less than 13% of crime guns come from an undocumented face to face purchase. And even if you required all transactions to have a background check you would still have 300+ million guns in American society that are not registered and the government would have no way of knowing or able to prevent the illicit sale of those guns. Not to mention the utter failure of gun registration in the states that have implemented it let alone Canada which tried it and abandoned it as being unworkable, costly and useless.
But let's keep pushing failed policies that make no difference.
Almost 1 million felons, people with restraining orders and others have been prevented from buying a gun in the past decade because of background checks, it needs to be expanded.
So were all these criminals arrested and prosecuted for trying to illegally purchase a gun?
When did a program that has prevented less than 1% of applicants from getting guns even become a success?
That is a different question, the point is it still prevented 1M from acquiring guns or would you rather have them acquiring guns without any checks.
if it was expanded to private sales, adding a longer waiting period the numbers would be larger.
What if we randomly search home or car of individuals to find illegal activity and only .5% of homes/cars searched produced results, would you be fine violating that amendment?
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