Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
What about small businesses? Or are they all evil billionaire corporations in your eyes?
Small business is not included. They should receive a preferential status. But, big corporations could accept to make a bit less for the good of society. At some point the accumulation of additional wealth is not always the moral thing to do.
BTW, there are billionaires that understand that the accumulation of additional wealth is moot and become socialists. Some companies actually overpay the employees. Other billionaires give a lot of money away because they cannot spend what they have in a lifetime. There should be a social consciousness, but you guys continue to blow the horn for corporate America because that is what the media like Fox News promotes.
Small business is not included. They should receive a preferential status. But, big corporations could accept to make a bit less for the good of society. At some point the accumulation of additional wealth is not always the moral thing to do.
Some companies actually overpay the employees. Other billionaires give a lot of money away because they cannot spend what they have in a lifetime. There should be a social consciousness, but you guys continue to blow the horn for corporate America because that is what the media like Fox News promotes.
Has it ever occurred to you that
1) People have been in favor of a relatively free market long before there was a FOX news
2) People like Fox News not because it tells them what to think but instead it says the same things people already think.
Quote:
BTW, there are billionaires that understand that the accumulation of additional wealth is moot. Other billionaires give a lot of money away because they cannot spend what they have in a lifetime.
There are many even the evil Koch brothers. I don't have much experience with billionaires but as an accountant I have come into contact with a lot of "wealthy people". The overwhelming majority are generous with charities regardless of their political beliefs.
Has it ever occurred to you that
1) People have been in favor of a relatively free market long before there was a FOX news
2) People like Fox News not because it tells them what to think but instead it says the same things people already think.
There are many even the evil Koch brothers. I don't have much experience with billionaires but as an accountant I have come into contact with a lot of "wealthy people". The overwhelming majority are generous with charities regardless of their political beliefs.
I am 100% in favor of a free market economy. In this era we must still rely on good capitalism (not crony capitalism) to survive.
Luckily we are now starting to see billionaires that acknowledge having redundant wealth.
Charity is awesome, but it is not a stable source for the poor. And we will always have poor untalented people, that is the bell curve distribution.
Sadly some in the conservative lower socioeconomic strata promote unbridle crony capitalism which in the end is hurtful to them. And you are correct, they have acted in this manner before Fox News.
Small business is not included. They should receive a preferential status. But, big corporations could accept to make a bit less for the good of society. At some point the accumulation of additional wealth is not always the moral thing to do.
That is fairyland you are thinking of. Where businesses put "general welfare" ahead of stock holders best interests. I don't disagree, but it just isn't reality.
So then you are advocating for the legislation of morality?
Originally Posted by PedroMartinez Labor will ALWAYS be market driven unless the government intervenes which then creates its one problems. When you force labor costs up, you will inevitably force up the cost of goods which then lowers the real value of wages.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian658
True----------- because billionaire corporations need to maintain profits at all cost. The extra cost of labor is passed down to the consumers.
And many folks like you are conditioned to blow the horn for corporate America.
Wait
You just said True, and then proceeded to chastise PedroMartinez for making a a true statement.
It's like the truth has somehow become a bad thing.
And many folks like you are conditioned to blow the horn on corporate America with no regard for the unintended consequences of your ideology.
Like it or not, you have everything you need to survive in relative comfort because of the free market and those bad corporations.
There is far, far less suffering in the most progressive countries like Germany, Scandinavian countries and the Netherlands.
Another uneducated post here. What does Germany have that we don't? Manufacturing. What do the others you mention have that we don't? A much smaller population where most people have jobs. NEXT!
I keep hearing the liberals whine that its somehow conservatives fault for low wages and I'd like to get some details.
Its liberals who support illegals coming to america taking up millions of jobs
Its liberals pushing jobs overseas with tax policies
Environmental laws
Mandates for pay
Mandates for benefits etc
Please list for me some conservative policies, responsible for low wages.
Non-exhaustive, obviously:
Minimum wage has been mentioned repeatedly.
Opposing labor organization (which really is an interference with the free market for labor--if capital-holders can organize into corporations, why shouldn't employees be able to organize into unions?).
Favoring capital gains over income from labor.
Undermining quality, universal education (via spending cuts).
Promoting management-friendly corporate internal affairs rules (dealing with issues like board elections, executive pay, management responsibilities, etc.).
Opposition to public sector spending (which creates jobs both in the public sector and the private sector).
Quote:
Originally Posted by chadgates
That is fairyland you are thinking of. Where businesses put "general welfare" ahead of stock holders best interests. I don't disagree, but it just isn't reality.
So then you are advocating for the legislation of morality?
In Germany, labor is entitled to seats on the equivalent of corporate boards of directors. Thus, labor has a voice, as do stockholders, and as does management. That is a different way of organizing that is not fairyland or "legislating morality," it is a difference of policy that can have real impact on workers' welfare.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dbones
Another uneducated post here. What does Germany have that we don't? Manufacturing. What do the others you mention have that we don't? A much smaller population where most people have jobs. NEXT!
See above, Germany has organized labor with corporate representation. While the numbers are not oranges to oranges, unemployment rates are higher in Germany and Sweden than they are in the United States.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
