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Old 09-07-2015, 03:34 PM
 
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The need to have reasons to justify defense dept. budgets from being cut!
This does play some role. Sad isn't it?
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Old 09-07-2015, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Afghanistan is rich in rare earth minerals.

That's why we're fighting them.
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Old 09-07-2015, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Why are we fighting the Taliban? And why should Americans die in Afghanistan fighting them?

You said that i was "too dumb" to see the long term consequences. So tie that into why we need to fight the Taliban.
We have our own problems. With Barry’s open border policy, we don’t even bother to track the ones coming in. Way to protect us!

We need to accept and understand we are fighting radical Muslims. It’s a fact. They have declared this war. The US, UK, France, Greece, and all the other countries need to join in and eradicate ISIS.

Why? We are fighting 7th century savages, who can not be reasoned with.
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Old 09-07-2015, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Just asking, because i can't figure it out for the life of me. Does anyone really believe that even if the Taliban were the sworn enemies of this country (and i definitely don't believe they are), we'd actually be able to eradicate them from Afghanistan?

For those that say that we're fighting them because they harbored Al Qaeda and wouldn't turn them over to us for prosecution, that's kinda silly all these years later. Part of Afghan culture is that they don't turn over their guests over to anyone.

So how long should we keep chasing the Taliban around Afghanistan?
We are still fighting the Taliban because we must defend the Afghan government, ostensibly while they ramp up to an operational level that will allow them to defend themselves. But there are many obstacles to achieving that operational level... illiteracy, Islamic sympathy to the Taliban, extreme tribalism, poor discipline, etc... So it's taking a long time. A lot of Afghan men are simply 'untrainable' for any number of reasons.
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Old 09-07-2015, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Put your question to Pres. Obama. He supported the war in Afghanistan from day one, and has extended it in his second term:

Obama extends combat role in Afghanistan | MSNBC
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Old 09-07-2015, 05:37 PM
 
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We have our own problems. With Barry’s open border policy, we don’t even bother to track the ones coming in. Way to protect us!

We need to accept and understand we are fighting radical Muslims. It’s a fact. They have declared this war. The US, UK, France, Greece, and all the other countries need to join in and eradicate ISIS.

Why? We are fighting 7th century savages, who can not be reasoned with.
The Taliban has never declared a war against the United States. So why are we fighting against people that have no designs on this country? They're only fighting Americans who are in their country just like you'd fight foreigners that came to your country with guns.
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Old 09-07-2015, 05:40 PM
 
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We are still fighting the Taliban because we must defend the Afghan government, ostensibly while they ramp up to an operational level that will allow them to defend themselves. But there are many obstacles to achieving that operational level... illiteracy, Islamic sympathy to the Taliban, extreme tribalism, poor discipline, etc... So it's taking a long time. A lot of Afghan men are simply 'untrainable' for any number of reasons.
I agree with this assessment for the most part. But let's be honest, no Afghan government will ever be able to defeat a rebel army like the Taliban. That's because Afghanistan is a nation of tribes and clans. No national government will ever be able to rule over the whole nation. It's ungovernable.

And we're not gonna make it a governable place.
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Old 09-07-2015, 05:49 PM
 
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Afghanistan is rich in rare earth minerals.

That's why we're fighting them.
That's a fair point, but an even better reason for the Taliban to fight us tooth and nail. There's no way they'll ever let that treasure fall into the hands of a western nation.

On top of all that, they have no mining infrastructure whatsoever and i see no way it can be built under war conditions.
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Old 09-07-2015, 05:55 PM
 
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The Taliban has never declared a war against the United States. So why are we fighting against people that have no designs on this country? They're only fighting Americans who are in their country just like you'd fight foreigners that came to your country with guns.
But a group that they protected and aided DID declare war on the US.

However, in my view any sort of formal declaration is a side issue. We have a right to defend ourselves, declaration or not.

Having said that I think WE should have declared war (formally) and then bombed them into the 10th Century BC and then left. No nation building, no reconstruction. Nothing. Simply kill huge numbers of them because that's all they really understand. Afterwards we should have just left a note on their front door telling them that if they ever do that again we'll come back. And next time we might be mad.
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Old 09-07-2015, 05:59 PM
 
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I agree with this assessment for the most part. But let's be honest, no Afghan government will ever be able to defeat a rebel army like the Taliban. That's because Afghanistan is a nation of tribes and clans. No national government will ever be able to rule over the whole nation. It's ungovernable.

And we're not gonna make it a governable place.
Agreed. I only stated WHY we are still there... not that it would ever work. Lets be real... most Afghans WANT to live in mud huts and romance donkeys. The West can't 'fix' that. When it's all said and done they will go right back to the barbarity they have always championed. Their own tribalism will always keep them in total poverty and 1200 years behind the rest of the world.
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