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Old 09-11-2015, 08:29 PM
 
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In the policy they chose to pay for covers it, than sure.

No one is trying to pass a law making contraception illegal.
not yet, the GOP is fighting for Obama care to not cover birth control along with all their efforts to restrict abortion rights. wanting to defund PP coupled with the rest doesn't make it so they support women's health.

 
Old 09-11-2015, 08:40 PM
 
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there wasn't a war on women in the 80's. it didn't start in earnest till 2010 when the GOP started trying to deny birth control in health care and introduce laws trying restrict access to abortion
Oh okay......
 
Old 09-11-2015, 08:43 PM
 
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not yet, the GOP is fighting for Obama care to not cover birth control along with all their efforts to restrict abortion rights. wanting to defund PP coupled with the rest doesn't make it so they support women's health.
The right is not taking BC away it is trying to STOP partial birth abortion, but those on the left are mixing the two and you people can't figure it out......do we really need partial birth abortion......this happens to be more than tissue, it has a beating heart.
 
Old 09-11-2015, 08:51 PM
 
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The right is not taking BC away it is trying to STOP partial birth abortion, but those on the left are mixing the two and you people can't figure it out......do we really need partial birth abortion......this happens to be more than tissue, it has a beating heart.
the GOP does not want Obama care to cover BC as well as restricting a woman's right to abortion.

BTW there is no such word as "partial birth abortion" there is late term abortion and it is done because a woman's life is in danger or the baby has serious birth defects and or issues that are life threatening. you can't get a late term abortion for funzies.
 
Old 09-13-2015, 05:09 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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No, I said that women DO have reproductive rights. They can say no or use birth control! Stop stereotyping all conservatives it is blatantly dishonest. Only the fringe element are for all the things you mentioned. If a woman's life is at risk then yes that's the one case where I feel a woman should be entitled to an abortion. No, the left wants to demand that companies provide birth control when some don't want to. There was a controversy involved with Family Planning such as using dead fetuses for some unsavory usages. Again, NO this is not a war on women but an advocacy for human life.
The problem is that that "fringe element" has a stranglehold on the Republican Party. Most of the Republicans running for President have this extreme view of abortion and birth control. While you said, "[t]hey can say no or use birth control," The GOP has been making it more difficult for women to get birth control. Even though insurance companies are fine with providing it in their policies at no charge, the GOP still doesn't want that coverage.

If you believe my analysis of the GOP position is unfairly judging GOP policies, this is from the Republican 2012 platform:

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We support the ability of all organizations to provide, purchase, or enroll in healthcare coverage consistent with their religious, moral or ethical convictions without discrimination or penalty. We likewise support the right of parents to consent to medical treatment for their children, including mental health treatment, drug treatment, and treatment involving pregnancy, contraceptives and abortion. We urge enactment of pending legislation that would require parental consent to transport girls across state lines for abortions.
So not only does the GOP want to make it hard or impossible to get abortions inside a state but also cross state lines to get one. Sorry, the GOP is now the American Taliban.
 
Old 09-13-2015, 07:57 AM
 
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The problem is that that "fringe element" has a stranglehold on the Republican Party. Most of the Republicans running for President have this extreme view of abortion and birth control. While you said, "[t]hey can say no or use birth control," The GOP has been making it more difficult for women to get birth control. Even though insurance companies are fine with providing it in their policies at no charge, the GOP still doesn't want that coverage.

If you believe my analysis of the GOP position is unfairly judging GOP policies, this is from the Republican 2012 platform:



So not only does the GOP want to make it hard or impossible to get abortions inside a state but also cross state lines to get one. Sorry, the GOP is now the American Taliban.
No, the fringe element does not have a stranglehold on the GOP. That's just nonsense. Extreme view of abortion and birth control? No, they do not. First, it's not extreme to be pro-life and second most GOPer's do not object to birth control. You are just making stuff up now. No, the GOP just defends companies that don't want to provide birth control. How is it difficult for a woman to get birth control? It's as easy as hell. Sure, they might have to pay for it but so what? Don't men pay for their own condoms?

Your reference to pro-lifer GOPers or anyone else who opposes abortion by calling them akin to the Taliban is not only ridiculous but completely hateful and false. That's about a low as one can go by calling them that. Disgusting!

Funny, I didn't see anything objectionable in the link you provided. Maybe you could point out the objectionable ones. You guys already won the abortion battle but yet you still whine. That doesn't mean that we can't object to that law or seek to overturn it. We live in a Democracy, don't we?
 
Old 09-13-2015, 11:29 AM
 
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No, the fringe element does not have a stranglehold on the GOP. That's just nonsense. Extreme view of abortion and birth control? No, they do not. First, it's not extreme to be pro-life and second most GOPer's do not object to birth control. You are just making stuff up now. No, the GOP just defends companies that don't want to provide birth control. How is it difficult for a woman to get birth control? It's as easy as hell. Sure, they might have to pay for it but so what? Don't men pay for their own condoms?

Your reference to pro-lifer GOPers or anyone else who opposes abortion by calling them akin to the Taliban is not only ridiculous but completely hateful and false. That's about a low as one can go by calling them that. Disgusting!

Funny, I didn't see anything objectionable in the link you provided. Maybe you could point out the objectionable ones. You guys already won the abortion battle but yet you still whine. That doesn't mean that we can't object to that law or seek to overturn it. We live in a Democracy, don't we?
If you seek to overturn R v. W, you seek to overturn a woman's right
to make her own decisions regarding her own body, based only on a set of beliefs. If you support a company's right to deny ins coverage for BC, based only only on a set of beliefs, you are forcing many women to pay for necessary reproductive health treatments - unlike men, for whom insurance covers all reproductive health treatments. Throwing down the gauntlet on both issues is indeed a declaration on war women.
 
Old 09-14-2015, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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This points to the hypocrisy of the Republican/conservative position, which usually is fewer regulations and deference to individual rights. However, when it comes to abortion and birth control, those same people who don't believe in coal plant scrubbers want to dictate to abortion doctors the exact dimensions their broom closets; deny women are fundamental right; and tell everyone else what they can do in the bedroom.
 
Old 09-14-2015, 08:03 AM
 
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This points to the hypocrisy of the Republican/conservative position, which usually is fewer regulations and deference to individual rights. However, when it comes to abortion and birth control, those same people who don't believe in coal plant scrubbers want to dictate to abortion doctors the exact dimensions their broom closets; deny women are fundamental right; and tell everyone else what they can do in the bedroom.
Abortion should never have been a form of birth control in the first place. It's not a fundamental right for a woman to kill her own unborn child. Rights are limited and well they should be. There is no hypocricy on the part of the GOP. As for normal forms of birth control the majority of Republicans do not object to them in spite of the claims by people like you. Who's telling anyone what they can do in their bedrooms? More exaggerations from people like you who just blatantly hates conservatives up to including comparing them to the Taliban. Sickening.
 
Old 09-14-2015, 08:12 AM
 
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The right is not taking BC away it is trying to STOP partial birth abortion, but those on the left are mixing the two and you people can't figure it out......do we really need partial birth abortion......this happens to be more than tissue, it has a beating heart.
This is a solid, informative article on how rare partial birth abortion is, and why it's performed.

'Partial-Birth Abortion:' Separating Fact from Spin : NPR
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