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Lol...anyone who has their own ethnostate, replete with nukes, has not lost out. You have to be kidding me. This complaint is equivalent to a wealthy man complaining about dropping a quarter. Don't expect any sympathy in regard to critics.
A lot of people feel under political attack by Jewish political power. To include the Palestinians at the least, but also many others. A lot of that feeling is aggravated by the existence of Israel, which was gained through the displacement of millions of Arabs. A lot of Jewish agitation against other groups is grounded in human rights claims. Other groups see Jewish political and social behavior in Israel and call foul, because they see a double standard and thus feel that Jewish groups are disingenuous In their international human rights and victim politics. Also, it's an anathema to keep four million people in what amounts to an open air prison city. People are outraged by that, and generally don't buy the Israeli victim spiel given the death numbers on either side, the vastly uneven military power, and the restrictions and danger of living in Palestine. That's why people complain.
I don't mind Israel, but the international politics must even out to where people perceive parity and good faith, and there must be a solution for the Palestinians. I don't personally get emotionally invested in the Israeli-Palestinian situation, but I know that a lot of the world is.
Because Israel was given to the Jews by God Himself. If you don't believe that, please offer a rational, i.e., non-superstitious, reason for their possession of it for almost all of the last 5000 years in the face of the strongest powers in the world trying to take it away from them.
Lol...you mean minus the last 2000? And, for anyone that knows Biblical history, for precious little time in the remaining 3,000. I could care less about the ultimate claim, but I do care about non-farcical arguments.
And the day another group can strong-arm it from the israelis, then THEY have
a right to it so long as they can hold it.
That's a very dangerous precedent to claim. I'm sure that you don't mean it.
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Especially land as crappy as what Israel sits on.
I'd give my "chosen people" better land than that.
Oh, yes, land with within one of the few Mediterranean climates on the planet, strategically placed in the middle of one of the most oil rich places on the planet, is just awful.
Second class? They enjoy more rights than Jews, for example the right not to spend 3 years in the military.
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This is an exceedingly annoying argument to make. It's classic spin making something advantageous seem bad, similar to how Noachides are told that they are "lucky" because they do not have to keep the 613 Mitzvot while actually losing out on the sociopolitical advantages of being Jewish. There are all kinds of advantages to military service in an ethnonationalist state.
Lol...anyone who has their own ethnostate, replete with nukes, has not lost out. You have to be kidding me. This complaint is equivalent to a wealthy man complaining about dropping a quarter. Don't expect any sympathy in regard to critics.
I think that the critics should be proportional. I cannot understand the cries for boycott on Israel while there is no boycott on much problematic states.
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A lot of people feel under political attack by Jewish political power. To include the Palestinians at the least, but also many others. A lot of that feeling is aggravated by the existence of Israel, which was gained through the displacement of millions of Arabs.
Millions of Arabs? You need to open a history book. There were about 800,000 Arabs who were told by the Arab leaders to leave Palestine/Eretz Israel so the Arab armies can destroy the Jewish state. Also, in the same time there were about a million Jews who were expelled from Arab countries and lost all their homes and property. At that time there were a lot of displacements. Tens of millions were displaced: Muslims in India, Germans in Eastern Europe. Why nobody feels aggravated because of that?
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A lot of Jewish agitation against other groups is grounded in human rights claims. Other groups see Jewish political and social behavior in Israel and call foul, because they see a double standard and thus feel that Jewish groups are disingenuous In their international human rights and victim politics. Also, it's an anathema to keep four million people in what amounts to an open air prison city. People are outraged by that, and generally don't buy the Israeli victim spiel given the death numbers on either side, the vastly uneven military power, and the restrictions and danger of living in Palestine. That's why people complain.
Those Jewish groups are mostly Anti-Zionist so there are no double standards.
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I don't mind Israel, but the international politics must even out to where people perceive parity and good faith, and there must be a solution for the Palestinians. I don't personally get emotionally invested in the Israeli-Palestinian situation, but I know that a lot of the world is.
So lets talk about double standards.
Why do you think the world is so emotionally invested in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, while the number of the dead in it is about 1% of the dead toll in the middle east?
Saudi killed thousands of Yemenies in the last few weeks. Where are the boycotts, the demonstrations, the outcry etc?
Why there is no boycott against Sudan, China, Saudi Arabia and other countries that kill people by thousands and millions?
There are more questions, but we can start with those.
This is an exceedingly annoying argument to make. It's classic spin making something advantageous seem bad, similar to how Noachides are told that they are "lucky" because they do not have to keep the 613 Mitzvot while actually losing out on the sociopolitical advantages of being Jewish. There are all kinds of advantages to military service in an ethnonationalist state.
Classic spin? When I went out of the military my fellow citizen of Arab descent had about 3 years of earnings or college degree. And when they go to the university or to a governmental job they are getting affirmative action. They are not doing reservist services, many of them not paying city taxes, and a lot of them work under the table because the government afraid to mess with them.
the adl promotes "diversity" and race mixing... meanwhile Isreal opposes it.. Imagine any western nation claiming "Christian State"
Right? The screeching would break every pane of glass in New York, DC, LA, London, etc.
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