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Old 09-16-2015, 07:39 AM
 
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Why should anyone need a piece of paper from a bureaucrat to validate their relationships?
You don't need a bureaucrat to validate your relationship. No one is forcing anyone to get married. If you don't want the legal benefits, rights and protections that come with being married then just live with your significant other. No bureaucrats involved. If you want a marriage in God's eyes and that's all the matters to you, find a church to perform a religious ceremony. No bureaucrats involved. For those who want those legal benefits and protections, there is marriage. So what's the problem?
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Old 09-16-2015, 07:42 AM
 
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Why should anyone need a piece of paper from a bureaucrat to validate their relationships?
All the $$$ that come with it....does seem ridiculous.
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Old 09-16-2015, 07:50 AM
 
Location: NJ
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How childish. I assume the also stamped their feet and threatened to hold their breaths until they turned blue. They are behaving like petulant little children who didn't get their way. The only thing missing from this bill is an infantile, "So there!" added to the end of it.
Relabling is all the rage these days. Relabeling is used to create problems or solve problems for politicians and activists.

Why accuse AL of something that everyone else is doing?

there are no 'illegal aliens'

terrorism is now workplace violence

using the word 'gun' in a sentence in schools gets you suspended

"Mom and Dad" as well as "husband and wife" effectively have been banned from California schools under a bill signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who with his signature also ordered public schools to allow boys to use girls restrooms and locker rooms, and vice versa, if they choose."
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Old 09-16-2015, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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It is better than the current arrangement. Good idea.

Now it is up to Churches and other religious institutions to develop a "brand" for a one woman/one man marriage contract that they control the distribution of, that people will value and respect.

And then let everyone else contract with whoever or whatever they want, including their dog or their ipod, or their cable TV service package, or all of the above, as they see fit.

In fact, there is no such thing as homosexual "marriage," regardless of any law that is passed anywhere saying otherwise. Likewise, if our nation or even the whole world passed a law insisting that the moon was made out of green cheese, that would not make it so either. Anyone who pretends otherwise is just playing make believe.
Let's not pontificate about heterosexual marriages too much, the divorce rate is 50%, people keep their cars longer than their spouses. I don't care if you call it a contract or a license, you can't change human nature.


Evidently the words until death do we part have no meaning to many.
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Old 09-16-2015, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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You don't need a bureaucrat to validate your relationship. No one is forcing anyone to get married. If you don't want the legal benefits, rights and protections that come with being married then just live with your significant other. No bureaucrats involved. If you want a marriage in God's eyes and that's all the matters to you, find a church to perform a religious ceremony. No bureaucrats involved. For those who want those legal benefits and protections, there is marriage. So what's the problem?
No kidding. If you want a marriage license, get one. If you don't - don't.

If your reason for not getting a marriage license is that icky gays can now get one, that's perfectly OK. No one cares what your reason is for not getting a license.

Which, come to think of it, may be the problem. Taking a stand that no one really cares about is kind of deflating. So let's make something up, and make an issue out of *that*...
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Old 09-16-2015, 08:15 AM
 
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Let's not pontificate about heterosexual marriages too much, the divorce rate is 50%, people keep their cars longer than their spouses. I don't care if you call it a contract or a license, you can't change human nature.


Evidently the words until death do we part have no meaning to many.
The divorce rate isn't 50%. That number has always been a myth that just won't go away. The actual divorce rate for first marriages is somewhere around 20%-25%, and its been dropping since the 80's.
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Old 09-16-2015, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Punta Gorda, FL
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Being able to marry seems to carry with it a certain social acceptance. Once SCOTUS agreed denying SSC the right to marry was unconstitutional, we intermediately saw a wide acceptance permeate the country. And then there are the tax advantages married couples enjoy. And the other rights married couples enjoy. An awful lot of privilege has been attached to marriage over the years so it was only natural SSCs wanted what everyone else had.

The lame argument that allowing SSCs to marry will lead to marrying animals or inanimate objects is just a trope. Neither can end up in court to dissolve the marriage, neither can enjoy the tax advantages, neither can even say, "I do" and have any concept what it means. Of course the people who make these claims know this. But it doesn't prevent them from saying it anyway.

Once those "special people" who have enjoyed rights denied to others realize they aren't so special, the noise will quiet down and we can focus on real issues.
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Old 09-16-2015, 08:25 AM
 
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So instead of filing a "license" with the state you file a "contract". That is not "getting out of the marriage business" it is changing the name of a marriage license to a marriage contract. Seems like the same thing with a new name, and a waste of money for a state that already has budget issues. But whatever floats their boat.



As opposed to leaving the name the same and changing it as has happened you on doubt mean.
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Old 09-16-2015, 08:26 AM
 
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Is this supposed to be Alabama taking some sort of stand??

Sounds to me like the equivalent of a kid who didn't get his way and starts kicking and screaming while holding his breath.

Brought to you by the same state as....


Thousands of year history should not be changed so lightly.
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Old 09-16-2015, 08:33 AM
 
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Thousands of year history should not be changed so lightly.
You obviously have never actually looked at the history of marriage. It's been changed many times over the last few thousand years. This is just one more in a long, long line of changes.
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