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Old 09-25-2015, 12:06 PM
 
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You claimed that ALL women have adequate access to healthcare without Planned Parenthood - given that you are now admitting they don't maybe you should admit that your original claim was not factually correct.
They do. The fact that they might have to put in more of an effort to get it than someone else is unfortunate, but that does not necessarily make Planned Parenthood the only solution.
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Old 09-25-2015, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I suggest you familiarize with the facts of the Affordable Health Care Act. Poor and low income women have access to health care without Planned Parenthood. Unless you choose not to believe the anecdotal references of President Obama.

Btw, it pains me to continuously refer to that act as "Affordable". For many, it is anything but.
Poor and low income women have access to health care without Planned Parenthood, unless those women live in states that did not expand Medicare in accordance with the ACA.

As for the affordability, the ACA isn't magic, it couldn't lower rates for everyone. But it isn't black magic either, lowering rates for nobody. What it does is subsidize the poor, old and the sick, while raising costs to the healthy, young and wealthy.
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Old 09-25-2015, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Baja Virginia
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why is the federal government (the taxpayer) even funding PP at all ...Planned Parenthood is a non-profit, non-governmental, private organization
The federal government uses a tiny fraction of its annual budget to support PP, because providing money for women's health, especially contraception, is less expensive than paying to deliver unwanted babies and providing welfare benefits to them.
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Old 09-25-2015, 12:10 PM
 
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why is the federal government (the taxpayer) even funding PP at all ...Planned Parenthood is a non-profit, non-governmental, private organization

maybe we should demand the federal budget send 3 million to the catholic church too
Well, if we had single payer healthcare we wouldn't need to directly fund groups like Planned Parenthood, but we don't so we do. Oh, and Catholic Charities receives a ton of taxpayer money for various programs.
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Old 09-25-2015, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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I work in California, so I am not familiar with every other state. As I understand it, if you do not qualify for MediCal or Medicaid, under the Affordable Health Care Act you are required by law to purchase insurance thereby having health care. Or if you choose not to you pay a fine.
As I said, if you are a childless, non disabled, non elderly adult and earn less than $11,670 you are ineligible for ACA coverage. Your option is medicaid if you live in a state where it has been expanded- otherwise you have no coverage because you can't get medicaid and aren't allowed to buy it on the ACA. Scroll to the bottom of this link for actual numbers: The Coverage Gap: Uninsured Poor Adults in States that Do Not Expand Medicaid
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Old 09-25-2015, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The federal government uses a tiny fraction of its annual budget to support PP, because providing money for women's health, especially contraception, is less expensive than paying to deliver unwanted babies and providing welfare benefits to them.
As a result teen pregnancy is down.

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Old 09-25-2015, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Perhaps the good people who drafted the act should address every problem that can be encountered. Planned Parenthood is not a panacea for womens health care. And every obstacle in life can't be addressed by others no matter how much we might wish it to be so.
Well perhaps the good people that drafted the legislation to close down Planned Parenhood Clinics should have addressed alternatives for the poor that no longer have health care. They closed down clinics that were low cost and convenient and in many cases the only possibility. Refresh my memory and tell me why this is necessary, was their primary interest insuring their constituents had health care.

They closed down clinics for people with no aternatives and your answer is "every obstacle in life can't be addressed by others", their government created the obstacle.
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Old 09-25-2015, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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They do. The fact that they might have to put in more of an effort to get it than someone else is unfortunate, but that does not necessarily make Planned Parenthood the only solution.
That's nice but you can't prove it other than offering some anecdotal evidence about your Grandmother. If you have no transportation going to a clinic 40 miles away requires a bit more than "putting some effort into it"
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Old 09-25-2015, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Baja Virginia
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As a result teen pregnancy is down.
Yep. If "conservatives" were really interested in reducing abortion (and welfare payments), they'd be asking Congress to increase funding to PP and other organizations that provide education and contraception to poor women and teens.
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Old 09-25-2015, 12:16 PM
 
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As I said, if you are a childless, non disabled, non elderly adult and earn less than $11,670 you are ineligible for ACA coverage. Your option is medicaid if you live in a state where it has been expanded- otherwise you have no coverage because you can't get medicaid and aren't allowed to buy it on the ACA. Scroll to the bottom of this link for actual numbers: The Coverage Gap: Uninsured Poor Adults in States that Do Not Expand Medicaid
Then I am assuming that those states make the determination that if you are young, relatively healthy and childless you are not eligible for state aid and must purchase insurance on an exchange. Isn't that the law under "Obama care"?
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