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Old 06-29-2011, 01:03 PM
 
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The U.S. health care system has become one gigantic money making scam
the United States spends more on health care per person than any other country in the world by far.

The health insurance companies and the big pharmaceutical corporations are raking in gigantic mountains of cash and yet the quality of the health care that we receive in return is rather quite poor.

People living in Puerto Rico have a greater life expectancy than we do.
Residents of Cuba have a lower infant mortality rate than we do.

We are the most medicated population on the planet and yet we are also one of the sickest.

As you read this, there are hordes of health bureaucrats and greedy corporate fatcats that are becoming incredibly wealthy while the rest of us go broke trying to pay for our health care.

In the United States today, health care bills cause more bankruptcies than anything else does.

Obamacare was one of the worst pieces of legislation that anyone has ever come up with in the history of the United States.

Rather than doing something to address the abuses of the health insurance companies and the pharmaceutical corporations, Obamacare actually gives them more power.

In fact, huge portions of Obamacare are virtually identical to a bill that was written by the health insurance trade association in 2009.

Under Obamacare our health care costs will go up even faster and the quality of our health care will continue to go down.

So please don’t try to tell me that Obamacare is the solution to anything.


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Old 06-29-2011, 01:07 PM
 
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Many people on the right had warned you about Obamacare long before it was signed into law
but you wanted it anyway, seeing it as a great opportunity to stick it to the Republicans and the right in general.
 
Old 06-29-2011, 01:10 PM
 
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We should of done single payer, I agree.
 
Old 06-29-2011, 01:11 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Obamacare was one of the worst pieces of legislation that anyone has ever come up with in the history of the United States.

LOL,

it is very difficult to rememberer a good piece of Obama's legislation, everybody is satisfied and like him, from Saudi's Kings to North Korea's Idiots, but not the American People.
 
Old 06-30-2011, 02:57 PM
 
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Many people on the right had warned you about Obamacare long before it was signed into law
but you wanted it anyway, seeing it as a great opportunity to stick it to the Republicans and the right in general.
What are you talking about - more corporatism is what the right wanted, and got.
 
Old 06-30-2011, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Let me tell you what makes and made our healthcare system inefficient and costly.

In 1986, Ronald Reagan signed into law the Emergency medical treatment and active labor act. This law mandated that any hospital that takes federal money at all, must take care of anyone who walks through their doors, regardless of their ability to pay.

Now what happened is this, people went into the hospital, the hospital cared for them, but then no one paid them any money for it. Yeah, they can write off the loss as a business expense, but that hardly makes up for the rest of the care that was provided. The federal government set up no way for the hospitals to get paid.

So what happens next? Well, hospitals charge someone with insurance more money for their care to make up for the loss. Now they don't blatantly do this, they do extra procedures that you don't need, prescribe medicine you don't need, and charge crazy prices for hospital room stays.

So then what happens? Well, all those extra charges cause insurance companies to raise their premiums. That means that more and more people can't afford insurance. That means that hospitals have to care for more, and more, and more people for free, charging more, and more, and more for the care of the insured.

Thats what happened to our healthcare system.

We should either.

A. Mandate that healthcare is paid for by the government and everyone is going to get a minimal amount of care, and it would be paid for by the government.

or

B. Let the free market work as its supposed to, by lowering prices because people demand them to be lower.

Choice A would likely mean more taxes and a bigger government. Option B would mean that people would likely die on the street.

You decide what you want.
 
Old 06-30-2011, 04:32 PM
 
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What are you talking about - more corporatism is what the right wanted, and got.
The right wanted to liberate the system instead we got more government bureaucracy.
 
Old 06-30-2011, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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The right wanted to liberate the system instead we got more government bureaucracy.
No, the right wanted to continue the same policy

Hospitals take care of everyone, but we aren't going to pay you for it. Make up the difference anyway you can.

Thats what Republicans supported.

At least President Obamas plan mandates that everyone have healthcare coverage. Once that kicks in, it should keep prices from increasing at the rate it is now.

I don't like the idea of an individual mandate, personally I'd rather see a national healthcare system paid for single payer. I think that system should be limited to life threatening conditions only, and beyond that you can buy supplemental insurance for your acne.
 
Old 06-30-2011, 04:43 PM
 
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We should of done single payer, I agree.
Damn right! Even some of my conservative friends are starting to see the light.
 
Old 06-30-2011, 04:45 PM
 
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We should of done single payer, I agree.
And let China pay for it, right?
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