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Old 11-04-2015, 10:30 AM
 
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If you understand where I come from, that is a proponent of modern money, you might understand why I would propose charging them low rates from the get go. Not zero, as there needs to be some skin in there to avoid abuse, but low rates. Zero rates for the poor.

A young person will not be expensive to cover or treat.
Then why aren't we doing that already? Why are there even Obamacare premiums and deductibles?
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Old 11-04-2015, 10:32 AM
 
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Currently we charge $0 for that.

Medicare does not turn seniors away if they have failed to pay sufficient amounts into the system.
Indeed, they do. One has to meet requirements to be eligible for Medicare benefits.

How do you not know that?
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Old 11-04-2015, 10:37 AM
 
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Do you notice any trends there?
Yes, more worthless crap from the equally worthless Coburn. Plus more of the usual claims of "redundancy" in similar federal programs that means all of them should be eliminated. It's all PHONY. The "waste, fraud, and abuse" people are simply either stupid or deceitful beyond belief.
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Old 11-04-2015, 10:39 AM
 
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If millenials want medicare they need to pony up and pay for it. Their payroll taxes need to be upped to the equivalent rate of an insurance premium.
My employer pays 70% of my insurance premiums. How does that come into play here?
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Old 11-04-2015, 10:41 AM
 
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Then why aren't we doing that already? Why are there even Obamacare premiums and deductibles?
I am only one opinion and one vote. Most people don't even realize the difference and implications in the medical risks and costs of caring for a typical child vs senior.

Obamacare as originally intended included low rates for the young and healthy. So called Mandate scummed it up.
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Old 11-04-2015, 10:43 AM
 
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My employer pays 70% of my insurance premiums. How does that come into play here?
If I were king, I'd take that 70% money, and then set you up with a new Cadillac with 30% Federal funding.

(lol)
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Old 11-04-2015, 10:45 AM
 
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LOL! What you an Lindert mean to say is that Europeans in general had the sense to assure that their middle classes were paid well enough to be able to afford the taxes necessary to support middle-class welfare programs.
Not really. But they don't incessantly whine and complain about being asked to pay their fair share, unlike the middle-class left in the U.S.
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"Household net-adjusted disposable income is the amount of money that a household earns each year after taxes and transfers. It represents the money available to a household for spending on goods or services. In United States, the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is USD 41 355 a year, much higher than the OECD average of USD 25 908 and the highest figure in the OECD."
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Old 11-04-2015, 10:46 AM
 
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And when others like me leave, and property values crash because no one will accept that kind of tax burden, who pays to support the Medicare for all pipe dream?
The people who buy the property.

It will, of course, have a lower tax burden after the values fall. But that's the point.
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Old 11-04-2015, 10:46 AM
 
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Small? How is having to borrow over $110,000 per year, small?
Apparently, your properties are worth ten times that. Let some of that equity work for you!
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Old 11-04-2015, 10:47 AM
 
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And when others like me leave, and property values crash because no one will accept that kind of tax burden, who pays to support the Medicare for all pipe dream?
Where do you expect to be able to go to find these lower tax burdens?
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