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So, what makes you think he is a "domestic right-wing terrorist?" How do you know his motive is "political ideology?"
Abortion and Planned Parenthood are controversial and political hot potatoes. Out of all of the businesses in the area he had to choose from, it is highly unlikely he chose this one by chance.
OK, so if a person goes into a public site and shoots numerous people, that makes them a domestic terrorist, then Joseph Allen in New Orleans must be a domestic terrorist, right?
Jeez. Here. From the Patriot Act:
" the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--
`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
`(B) appear to be intended--
`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
`(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.'."
" the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--
`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
`(B) appear to be intended--
`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
`(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.'."
OK. Do you believe that the actions of either Mr. Dear or Mr. Allen met those criteria, and if so, why? If you believe that one or both didn't meet the criteria, could you state your reasons for reaching that conclusion as well?
" the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--
`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
`(B) appear to be intended--
`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
`(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.'."
This is the perfect definition in my opinion. +rep for it.
People trying to convert criminal acts into the definition of their domestic terrorism, so that they can try to wedge this into some argument about color, or try and avoid it being labeled as a terroristic act are doing a disservice to their causes.
Please do not create a idea that just because someone shot people it makes them terrorists, or we're going to see the word misused to justify a ton of things no one wants. You are not helping.
Its not even 100% clear yet that this one qualifies, although you could argue about the "appear to be intended" part. If it later turns out that this guy was just cray cray, then it will no longer be a act of domestic terrorism, until thats clarified its is absolutely within this definition.
The more fascinating question to me is why so many news outlets ARENT referring to it as domestic terrorism.
gang violence/murder is not the same as a domestic terrorist even if it happens in public.
Why not? Do you disagree that what Allen did involved acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State and appeared to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population and occurred primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States?
Why not? Do you disagree that what Allen did involved acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State and appeared to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population and occurred primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States?
What policy was he trying to influence? What conduct? How was he intimidating our population? How was he coercing our population?
What policy was he trying to influence? What conduct? How was he intimidating our population? How was he coercing our population?
What policy was Dear trying to influence? What conduct? How was he intimidating our population? How was he coercing our population?
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