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"We were too dumb. We didn't understand who we had there at that moment. When 9/11 occurred, all the emotions took over, and our response was, "Where did those bastards come from? Let's go kill them. Let's go get them." Instead of asking why they attacked us, we asked where they came from. Then we strategically marched in the wrong direction."
Lt. General Michael Flynn former Commander of Special Forces in Iraq and Afghanistan and former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.
There were plenty of people at the time warning against going into those countries and destabilizing them. It used to be a centerpiece of US foreign policy in that part of the world - keep the strongman in power to keep a lid on the crazy. Of course some people think it's horrible, and one of the reasons we were attacked on 9/11 in the first place. I am torn on the issue. There is no doubt that strongman dictators are brutal on their people, but are they anywhere near as brutal as Daesh (I'm no longer calling them ISIS)? I think not.
It's exactly why Obama is dead wrong on Syria. He insists on deposing Assad, and supports supposed moderates. Does anyone think that will turn out well? All one needs to do is look to Libya to see that Obama has no business criticizing Bush for his response to 9/11, since he didn't learn any lessons from it.
I wish we would just leave the whole Syria issue to Russia to solve. They can deal with these idiots now. Just keep those f*ckers out of this country. No asylum!
There were plenty of people at the time warning against going into those countries and destabilizing them. It used to be a centerpiece of US foreign policy in that part of the world - keep the strongman in power to keep a lid on the crazy. Of course some people think it's horrible, and one of the reasons we were attacked on 9/11 in the first place. I am torn on the issue. There is no doubt that strongman dictators are brutal on their people, but are they anywhere near as brutal as Daesh (I'm no longer calling them ISIS)? I think not.
It's exactly why Obama is dead wrong on Syria. He insists on deposing Assad, and supports supposed moderates. Does anyone think that will turn out well? All one needs to do is look to Libya to see that Obama has no business criticizing Bush for his response to 9/11, since he didn't learn any lessons from it.
I wish we would just leave the whole Syria issue to Russia to solve. They can deal with these idiots now. Just keep those f*ckers out of this country. No asylum!
Obama has given you your wish! Had we went into Syria like the Conservatives,Republicans,or GOP members or ditto Heads or what ever it is you people call yourselves wanted the RUSSIA would not bethere at all.
So many do not understand that there is a lot of maneuvering going on.
Look at the pieces on a Chess board. Times don't change how things work. Chess was designed to represent the maneuvering that was done in Medieval times.
There were plenty of people at the time warning against going into those countries and destabilizing them. It used to be a centerpiece of US foreign policy in that part of the world - keep the strongman in power to keep a lid on the crazy. Of course some people think it's horrible, and one of the reasons we were attacked on 9/11 in the first place. I am torn on the issue. There is no doubt that strongman dictators are brutal on their people, but are they anywhere near as brutal as Daesh (I'm no longer calling them ISIS)? I think not.
It's exactly why Obama is dead wrong on Syria. He insists on deposing Assad, and supports supposed moderates. Does anyone think that will turn out well? All one needs to do is look to Libya to see that Obama has no business criticizing Bush for his response to 9/11, since he didn't learn any lessons from it.
I wish we would just leave the whole Syria issue to Russia to solve. They can deal with these idiots now. Just keep those f*ckers out of this country. No asylum!
"It's exactly why Obama is dead wrong on Syria. He insists on deposing Assad, and supports supposed moderates. Does anyone think that will turn out well? All one needs to do is look to Libya to see that Obama has no business criticizing Bush for his response to 9/11, since he didn't learn any lessons from it"
Assad and Khadafi are Obama's Sadaam. Apparently, Obama didn't learn from Bush's mistakes. He looked like a Hero not voting to go into Iraq like Bush, Hillary and Kerry, then blew it all as President.
Obama has given you your wish! Had we went into Syria like the Conservatives,Republicans,or GOP members or ditto Heads or what ever it is you people call yourselves wanted the RUSSIA would not bethere at all.
So many do not understand that there is a lot of maneuvering going on.
Look at the pieces on a Chess board. Times don't change how things work. Chess was designed to represent the maneuvering that was done in Medieval times.
All governments do the same thing.
Maneuver for a better position.
Obama isn't smart enough to have achieved this. He's no chess player. I know he got handed a pretty raw deal with two wars, but he pulled all our troops out of Iraq, which was better suited to us strategically, and put more troops in Afghanistan, which is a cluster. From what I understand, we don't control any part of Afghanistan that isn't directly under our feet. It's corrupt, violent, and our supposed allies are child-raping, women-stoning idiots whose culture hasn't evolved in thousands of years. The only resources they have are opiates and maybe some rare earths that don't seem to be retrievable due to the corruption and violence in that country.
If Obama wanted to get us out of the Middle East, why didn't he really get us out of it? I'd have a lot more respect for him if he had.
"It's exactly why Obama is dead wrong on Syria. He insists on deposing Assad, and supports supposed moderates. Does anyone think that will turn out well? All one needs to do is look to Libya to see that Obama has no business criticizing Bush for his response to 9/11, since he didn't learn any lessons from it"
Assad and Khadafi are Obama's Sadaam. Apparently, Obama didn't learn from Bush's mistakes. He looked like a Hero not voting to go into Iraq like Bush, Hillary and Kerry, then blew it all as President.
I agree! I'm glad he doesn't want to get us too mired down in Syria, but he would do better to not go against the Russians in this matter. Let them deal with it.
Der Spiegel has some pretty good articles from time to time.
That really loud snap-pop you hear when your thumb gets stuck in a bowling ball thats too small for your fingers? That's the sound the entirety of the ME should hear as we leave. And by leave, I mean GTFO completely. Crickets. Leave an Embassy if we must, a few State .gov employees if needed but...
The Iraq War, which I spent the better part of a decade fighting during multiple deployments, is the great tragedy of our era. I knew from day one it was a mistake. How did I know? Well, unlike our president at the time, I listened to the experts. They pretty much all agreed -- the war would exponentially increase terrorism. They say hindsight is 20/20 - in this case, foresight was 20/20. The days before the invasion were like watching someone with a shotgun in his mouth wondering aloud what would happen if he pulled the trigger. You want to scream, um, idiot! Don't pull it and find out. But Bush did just that. He's a failure of epic proportions.
The Iraq War, which I spent the better part of a decade fighting during multiple deployments, is the great tragedy of our era. I knew from day one it was a mistake. How did I know? Well, unlike our president at the time, I listened to the experts. They pretty much all agreed -- the war would exponentially increase terrorism. They say hindsight is 20/20 - in this case, foresight was 20/20. The days before the invasion were like watching someone with a shotgun in his mouth wondering aloud what would happen if he pulled the trigger. You want to scream, um, idiot! Don't pull it and find out. But Bush did just that. He's a failure of epic proportions.
It's good to see veterans, especially combat veterans who served honorably
begin to ask tough questions. But whether or not American policy in the Middle
East and in Eastern Europe is a failure or not depends on perspective.
If you're only concerned with the best interest of the American people, then
it's a failure. If your aim is rather to topple and handicap any population that
stands in the way of a one-world government controlled by a conspiratorial elite,
then it's a raving success.
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Originally Posted by Versatile
Obama has given you your wish! Had we went into Syria like the Conservatives,Republicans,or GOP members or ditto Heads or what ever it is you people call yourselves wanted the RUSSIA would not bethere at all.
IF that was truly what the "Conservatives,Republicans,or GOP members" wanted, the Conservative, Republican, GOP controlled Congress could have and should have declared war on Syria. I guess their feet get the chills at the mere thought of signing their names and accepting responsibility for their actions, eh?
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