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Old 12-01-2015, 12:24 PM
 
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So the Obama Administration is attacking the NRA in hoping to score some points for anti-gun control.

The Obama administration, not the NRA, sells guns to terrorists

Last week during questioning from reporters, White House press secretary Josh Earnest urged Congress to “do something” about the capability for terrorists to easily purchase firearms in the United States.

“Right now, there’s not a law on the books that prevents an individual who is already in the United States and that we already know is suspected of having links to terrorism — that allows them to go and purchase a weapon,” Earnest said. “Members of Congress are prepared to allow those individuals who are already in the United States, and are suspected of having links to terrorism, from going and purchasing a firearm. I think that’s a pretty clear indication that Republicans in Congress are more interested in playing politics, and more scared of the NRA, than they are concerned about doing the right thing for our national security.”

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The NRA is interested in protecting the civil rights of Americans, not protecting the ability of terrorists to get guns.

Have suspected terrorists been able to purchase firearms in the United States? The answer is yes, around 2,000 times. Does this fact warrant stripping the Second Amendment rights from citizens who aren’t terrorists because they’re on a government list? The answer is no. Regardless, considering terrorists get firearms in and from all parts of the world regardless of gun control restrictions or laws, it’s an irrelevant argument.


The article brings up the following to counter their argument...

1- France is supposed to be a gun free zone. Not so much...
2- The ability for terrorists to get guns should not affect citizens' rights to get guns in this country.
3- The Fast and Furious program has been utilized under Obama which sold guns to drug dealers in Mexico and stopped tracking them.

All are excellent points to counter the NRA nonsense.
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Old 12-01-2015, 12:27 PM
 
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I don't think anyone has ever accused the NRA of selling guns. They aren't a retailer.

The criticism of the NRA is that they lobby for unregulated gun sales.
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Old 12-01-2015, 12:34 PM
 
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I don't think anyone has ever accused the NRA of selling guns. They aren't a retailer.

Exactly. While the NRA does license special edition guns.... they aren't a major retailer. They are a major, powerful lobbying force in this country. Wayne LaPierre collects a VERY nice salary promoting gun ownership.

The link is to an opinion piece. ALL opinion pieces reflect the bias of the author.

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Old 12-01-2015, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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I don't think anyone has ever accused the NRA of selling guns. They aren't a retailer.

The criticism of the NRA is that they lobby for unregulated gun sales.

The NRA does not lobby for unrestricted gun sales. That is nonsense.
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Old 12-01-2015, 01:21 PM
 
Location: california
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Most every one understands that registration leads to confiscation .
That is what the NRA is fighting.
Bad people will get what they want regardless of the law.
Good people need to be encouraged to take responsibility for their own security, and not live in fear of that right to be take away by a corrupt government.
Training should be strongly encouraged to people purchasing guns ,especially for protection.
Being made aware of the laws and responsibilities both for carrying and discharging the weapon
More ranges should be encouraged by cities so that citizens have a place to practice and better their skills .
US Tax payers should have free access to these facilities ,any one with out proof of citizenship should not be allowed.
IMO
The more citizens are armed ,and trained, the stronger we are as a nation, no matter how many sneak in the borders .
We are looking at times to get significantly more desperate ,and police departments are limited .
the choices are , arm the public or call for martial law .
From the actions of the current administration, I'm betting that martial law is not far in the future.
If knowing the rules of engagement becomes common knowledge , armed citizens can freely discuss the strategies in a given situation.
Along with this , police should also get to know those that are armed, and trained, and know how to cooperate if required .
If citizens and police are practicing together , they have a frame of reference to identify one another should an event require it.
Criminals are unlikely to be practicing in a place they might be recognized. Not impossible , but not likely .
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Old 12-01-2015, 01:24 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I don't think anyone has ever accused the NRA of selling guns. They aren't a retailer.

The criticism of the NRA is that they lobby for unregulated gun sales.

Look at various gun control threads on C-D as well as media outlets such as Salon and Huffington Post. I could name at least a dozen or so contributors here who do so on a regular basis but don't feel like being suspended. Again.
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Old 12-01-2015, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Can you explain your headline and give examples apart from F&F?
" The Government Purposely Sells Guns To Criminals"
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Old 12-01-2015, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Gone
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I don't think anyone has ever accused the NRA of selling guns. They aren't a retailer.

The criticism of the NRA is that they lobby for unregulated gun sales.
Don't interrupt the nonsense, best they get it out of their head.
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Old 12-01-2015, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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My problem with our current Background Check system is what happens to a citizen when they are incorrectly listed as a criminal when they have not committed a crime? Even if you have been convicted of a felony why should you be unable to purchase a gun just because you committed fraud or possession of marijuana? Only people convicted, not just accused, of a violent crime should be on this list. There has to a way to have your name removed?


If we decide to add "Terrorist" to our list what are the criteria for being considered a Terrorist? If threatening to commit a terrorist act is one reason how is this to be reported and verified? It would be far too easy for a personal enemy such as a disgruntled ex wife, brother in law, business competitor or anyone else you may have annoyed at any time to call Homeland Security and state, probably not under oath, that they heard you verbally threaten a politician or other celebrity.


I think the biggest reason for the gun controllers desire to stop private ownership of guns is their fear of having the responsibility for defending themselves from criminals and terrorists. I understand their reluctance because for many folks have been protected by their families, their schools, their employers and, they think, their police. They are appalled to think that now that they are adults they are responsible for defending themselves from criminals and terrorists. They do not know how to do this and really do not want to do it at all. Their way to avoid this responsibility is to BAN ALL GUNS so nobody will ever have any and they will be SAFE at last.


Unfortunately their wishes has no effect on the world. In the world we currently have we are threatened not only by terrorists and criminals but, if we have the bad luck to be 'different', some of the police as well. We do not need to remove guns from our society but need to increase their ownership by regular civilians so we have the tools we need to defend ourselves from assault. We also need to learn how to use firearms and when using them is appropriate. Carrying a gun is a serious act but people should be encouraged to do so. They also need to be taught that they are not being protected by the authorities. They, as individual citizens, are responsible for that.
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Old 12-01-2015, 02:11 PM
 
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The NRA does not lobby for unrestricted gun sales. That is nonsense.
I know for a fact that they lobby for unregulated gun sales at gun shows in South Carolina.
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