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Old 12-10-2015, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Hypocrites, all of them.
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:29 AM
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Location: Tennessee
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The Midwest of the US was a desert back during that supposed optimum. I wonder how the US would grow their food stuff if the Midwest turned into a desert again.
Yes, there is good evidence for that. And if we do see temperatures there rise, decreasing precipitation will be a real problem. You can see it in the 30s and 50s droughts that seriously effected the areas.



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The connection between hot dry conditions and lack of precip shows up in all kinds of data.



The precipitation data shows the Midwest has not started moving towards anything like the conditions of the HCO, which is good.



It's entirely possible that warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect will be different than the natural warming periods of the past.

It might get much wetter, rather than drier. The problem is, nobody actually knows what will happen.

For that reason the theory of global warming is an important matter. If the theory is wrong, something else will happen.

So far, the theory has not done well at predicting the future. Which is always hard.
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:22 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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It doesn't really matter. Those changes would be positive, whether there is climate change or not. It worked with emission. Before there were tough laws, the environment was treated like a trash can.
And the inflation adjousted price of autos has surged to the point where many can't afford new cars.
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:25 AM
 
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Even the Flat Earth Society (yes, such a thing exists) believes in man-made climate change, as does the Pope. How embarrassing is that? Right-wingers are eternally behind the times... it's what makes them right-wingers.
The Pope..lmao..Who cares what he thinks about science...
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Old 12-10-2015, 12:13 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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And the inflation adjousted price of autos has surged to the point where many can't afford new cars.
Cars are still very cheap in the US. The problem is that US society has become very unequal, with lots of working poor. And that is the result of greed and elitism.
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Old 12-10-2015, 12:56 PM
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I wish the Pope would do something about that problem.
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Old 12-10-2015, 01:14 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Cars are still very cheap in the US. The problem is that US society has become very unequal, with lots of working poor. And that is the result of greed and elitism.
the problem being the lack of jobs and lack of confidence by big business to expand under the oppressive obama regime.


not greed and elitism, just ideology that requires the economy be busted and a big government appointed saviour to solve the problem they created.
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Old 12-10-2015, 01:17 PM
 
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And the inflation adjousted price of autos has surged to the point where many can't afford new cars.
I'm curious to hear about this time period where everyone could afford new cars.
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Old 12-10-2015, 01:19 PM
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How are you planning to stop climate change that has been occurring for billions of years?
From a theoretical standpoint, the very idea that we can change the weather of the entire planet is quite appealing. If this is true, we can figure out how to make it better. The question is, can man actually control the world's weather?

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I don't believe in man-made global warming or climate change, either, but in man-aggravated climate change.
That opens the door for creating better weather, as well as making worse. Is it possible?

That's the important question. The dream of being able to do something about the weather is a very old dream of mankind. Those sure we are screwing it up should also believe we can make it better.

It's quite a concept.

A lot of money and effort has gone into just trying to make it rain. In just a small area. If we could make it rain more globally, it would be huge. Beyond huge actually. It's a mind boggling concept.
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Old 12-10-2015, 09:14 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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I'm curious to hear about this time period where everyone could afford new cars.
Back in 1972 and 1973 new cars ranged from about $1,000 to about $4,000. Inflation would have arguably quadrupled those values, to $4,000 to $16,000. That is not the range in prices for new cars.
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