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I can collect rainwater, it's called using a rain barrel or planting a rain garden. I don't need guns yet if I did, I could buy one. I have health insurance.
I was not replying to one of your posts yet you felt the need to respond to mine & ended it in a condescending arrogant manner. Kindly stop.
People have been fined by the EPA for collecting rainwater off of their roof. Yes, indeed.
You pay massively-inflated premiums for your health insurance, and will soon have coverage with no care when single payer comes to be (think of it as VA-care for all America).
A strawman is a presentation of a false position supposedly held by your opponent, which is then easy to defeat in debate.
You asserted that people want no laws whatsoever, which nobody asserts. You made that up yourself in the CLASSIC Strawman manner. Sign of a very weak and uninformed debator. Tactic of last resort, so to speak.
Hopefully, you can do better.
Actually your reply was the tactic of a last resort, since you did not address any of the arguments, and instead tried to attack the messanger. There were many valid points in the post you replied to.
People have been fined by the EPA for collecting rainwater off of their roof. Yes, indeed.
You pay massively-inflated premiums for your health insurance, and will soon have coverage with no care when single payer comes to be (think of it as VA-care for all America).
I'll respond to any post I wish to.
Yes, you can respond however try responding in a more civil manner.
Where I live, we are encouraged to use rain barrels or rain gardens.
Actually your reply was the tactic of a last resort, since you did not address any of the arguments, and instead tried to attack the messanger. There were many valid points in the post you replied to.
Not in my opinion. Once you play the strawman card, you pretty much take yourself out of the game. I attacked the use of the strawman, not so much it's user. However, it is a direct reflection, so it hard to disassociate one from the other.
Not in my opinion. Once you play the strawman card, you pretty much take yourself out of the game. I attacked the use of the strawman, not so much it's user. However, it is a direct reflection, so it hard to disassociate one from the other.
Thanks for sharing your opinion, but the truth is that ignoring the arguments, and instead trying to make it about the poster is deflection, and the tactic of the last resort.
The stand by the points I made earlier. "Freedom restricting" laws have been around since day one, and thank God some have been abolished, while some new ones have been created. Someone will always complain that laws take away their freedoms. Some support the laws, and understand why they were created, while others complain. Are some laws stupid? Yes. Are others necessary? Yes. We have a Congress to create new laws, and abolish bad ones. It's just the way it works.
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Yes, you can respond however try responding in a more civil manner.
Where I live, we are encouraged to use rain barrels or rain gardens.
Point taken, and apologies offered.
However, are you aware of what a monstrosity the EPA has become. I am not kidding you, people have been fined for collecting rainwater from their roofs for domestic use.
One must understand the nature of power and control, and how it is wielded by its devotees. The subject matter is pretty much irrelevant. What matters is that it can be used selectively against political opponents, or even those who "innocently" get in the way.
Seeking power and control over others is natural to many people, and they tend to gravitate towards positions where such a desire can be put to use. Many of them constitute what we have started to call the "ruling class". Imagine, in the USA, a group of people who spend their entire careers in elective office to the point where they are called the "ruling" class. That is not representative governance, that is the beginning of "us vs them", and the growing power and control exercised by such people. I've worked in this environment for 40 years and watched it grow and grow and grow.
The Founders knew all this organically, and instituted controls, structures and safety valves to prevent it from occurring. Unfortunately, the feds don't like "limitations" on their power, and once they amended the Const. to get the Income Tax (and hence the funding source for massive expansion of the central government), it is grown rapidly, with no evidence whatsoever or leveling off. Once they perverted the "regulation Commerce between the states" enumerated power to mean they have universal subject matter jurisdiction, it has been "Katie, bar the door".
The servants are taking over the household, and to give up any freedom, much less a safety-valve freedom like the RKBA, is done at certain peril.
Thanks for sharing your opinion, but the truth is that ignoring the arguments, and instead trying to make it about the poster is deflection, and the tactic of the last resort.
The stand by the points I made earlier. You are not obligated to respond to them.
To be honest, the only thing about your post that I felt was "response-worthy" was your use of the strawman.
And here you go, doing it again.. It isn't about the poster (as you know), it is about the use of the Strawman (which you can't justify, so you create yet another strawman instead)
To be honest, the only thing about your post that I felt was "response-worthy" was your use of the strawman.
And here you go, doing it again.. It isn't about the poster (as you know), it is about the use of the Strawman (which you can't justify, so you create yet another straw man instead)
That's my point. Instead of addressing the points, you choose to whine about something else. Its a deflection.
Yeppers; that 2nd thingy has been proven to work so well protecting you against successive governments restricting your rights and freedoms and also protecting you from your fellow citizens.
Your rights under the 1st 4th and 5th amendments have been gradually eroded to a shadow of their origins. Your designation as a bastion of 'economic freedom' is sliding down the scale faster than a discarded booster rocket in free fall. You're presently taxed to a greater extent than a lot of countries you scathingly refer to as "socialist".
Your invasion by more than 12 million illegal immigrants, either encouraged or allowed by successive governments. Students cannot even go to classes without some metal detector or armed guard hovering in the wings. Your leaders abusing the 14th amendment beyond all recognition.
Lastly; your killing each other at a greater rate than any other 1st world nation; would all tend to lead anyone to ask: 'of what real value has that 2nd thingy been'?
For it's intended purposes, that 2nd thingy has sure worked so very well for you.
For starters, if you were not being so obtuse, you'd understand that I was referring to a tyrannical government intent on usurping or actually overriding our Republics Constitution. Whether it be via executive fiat, or some other means not stipulated within the bounds of said governing document.
So while some of the examples you gave have occurred because of the koolaid drinking sheeple, if push comes to shove, none of the other amendments can be protected if a all powerful tyrannical government disarms the peoples ability to defend the Constitution, against enemies within our own government.
That's my point. Instead of addressing the points, you choose to whine about something else. Its a deflection.
Have a nice day.
Your point seems to be that you can use cheesy debate tactics (strawman), but anybody who calls you out on it, is using cheesy, underhanded debate tactics.
If you have anything of substance to offer, please do so, sans strawman or red herring, and I will respond. Play the cheese, however, and I will call you out on it.
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