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So, I can only conclude that I am a Liberal Libertarian. I like that concept.[/color]
I'm sorry, liberal-yes, libertarian-no. Libertarianism is a principled ideology, not simply a set of stances on issues. Just because you agree with libertarians on some issues doesn't mean you qualify as a Libertarian.
And the fact that all these men are all electable Republicans should indicate that you shouldn't listen to Fox News so much In determining the "true face" of the GOP, voters supercede whatever drivel you hear on TV.
While I'm a independent that wouldn't call myself conservative, as I think I'm centrist to slightly liberal leaning that was a great post overall and I especially took note of this one comment as I know a few people who view Fox News as the be all end all of the republican party. I tend to think that is a rather narrow minded view, regardless of your political beliefs and/or views. I am getting the impression with some very conservative republicans (which seem to outnumber the more moderate ones in my area) that they're painting a scenario where it's you're either for us , or against us, as if there are no shades of grey. I thought it was just limited to the forums but I've had people in person tell me that if McCain is the republican nominee they will not vote period. No if's and's or but's about it. In some ways I'm still rather stunned.
My criticism is not concerned with immigration policy per se. It is with the expressed intolerance of liberals toward those who disagree with them. Wanting to control the borders does not equal "hating illegals." If that is so, there is a great deal of self-hatred among America's Hispanic population, since many of them support stricter immigration policies.
Are said Hispanics illegal themselves? If not, your comment doesn't make much sense... neither does the whole "intolerance" rambling, but I've grown used to that old line.
Btw, I think about half of you missed fishmonger's original point... LOL.
While I'm a independent that wouldn't call myself conservative, as I think I'm centrist to slightly liberal leaning that was a great post overall and I especially took note of this one comment as I know a few people who view Fox News as the be all end all of the republican party. I tend to think that is a rather narrow minded view, regardless of your political beliefs and/or views. I am getting the impression with some very conservative republicans (which seem to outnumber the more moderate ones in my area) that they're painting a scenario where it's you're either for us , or against us, as if there are no shades of grey. I thought it was just limited to the forums but I've had people in person tell me that if McCain is the republican nominee they will not vote period. No if's and's or but's about it. In some ways I'm still rather stunned.
Though I'm not a Republican, I can understand their thought processes. When one has strong convictions, to compromise them by voting for someone who does not hold the same convictions is being disloyal to oneself. What good are they doing the party if they vote for someone that does not support the basic party tenets?
Are said Hispanics illegal themselves? If not, your comment doesn't make much sense... neither does the whole "intolerance" rambling, but I've grown used to that old line.
Btw, I think about half of you missed fishmonger's original point... LOL.
I think you missed my point, in your haste to find a pigeonhole for my post.
Many Hispanics are legal residents or citizens of the United States. Our nation would be much poorer without them. Among that population are many people who are troubled both by the overwhelming numbers of illegal immigrants, and by the strains that their presence is putting on our country's ability to provide services to its legal residents.
Many people would prefer if members of any cultural or racial group could simply be lumped together and considered collectively, so that broad generalizations about them could be wielded more easily. Fortunately, the opposite is true -- there are ranges of opinion within any ethnic and cultural group, many of which run contrary to accepted sociological wisdom. With no group is this more the case than with Hispanic-Americans, who are fiercely independent, ethically centered, and politically diverse.
I just love defining the argument by using loaded terms. I think it is called framing in adspeak Economically I am a socialist. Politically I am a Liberal. In the class war I am a Bolshevik. I believe a civilized and just society provides enough to survive for all before it provides plentitudes for the few. It should never allow wealth to buy legal, moral or economic privilege. The only thing wealth should be able to buy is better booze.
I just love defining the argument by using loaded terms. I think it is called framing in adspeak Economically I am a socialist. Politically I am a Liberal. In the class war I am a Bolshevik. I believe a civilized and just society provides enough to survive for all before it provides plentitudes for the few. It should never allow wealth to buy legal, moral or economic privilege. The only thing wealth should be able to buy is better booze.
I just love defining the argument by using loaded terms. I think it is called framing in adspeak Economically I am a socialist. Politically I am a Liberal. In the class war I am a Bolshevik. I believe a civilized and just society provides enough to survive for all before it provides plentitudes for the few. It should never allow wealth to buy legal, moral or economic privilege. The only thing wealth should be able to buy is better booze.
Then, you're far from being a libertarian. The "civilized and just" society that you prefer has been tried and has failed miserably because all economic incentives are removed from society, making everyone simply mediocre at best. Even China has realized that this does not work and is moving more toward capitalism.
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In determining the "true face" of the GOP, voters supercede whatever drivel you hear on TV.
