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Old 12-12-2015, 07:30 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Where in the US Constitution, did We The People, allow them the government to Keep & Bear arms?



Remember, there was to be no standing armies, like we have today. Remember long ago, it was the states, that trained and sent people into battle for the nation. The New York 21st Regiment? The Alabama 2nd Battalion? Texas 12th Infantry.

We The People, told them the government, we are the army.
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Old 12-12-2015, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Preamble calls for the government to provide for national defense, and Section 8 authorizes them to raise armies, and a navy. People joke about the air force being un-constitutional, because only army and navy are mentioned, but common sense mandates it is not.
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Old 12-12-2015, 07:43 AM
 
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Preamble calls for the government to provide for national defense, and Section 8 authorizes them to raise armies, and a navy. People joke about the air force being un-constitutional, because only army and navy are mentioned, but common sense mandates it is not.

Raise. Means it is not always there. National Defense means, the united nation is under attack of war...
Washington raised an army, to defeat the British. They all wen home when the defense of the nation under attack was concluded.
Raise an army when needed, from the States Militias. The navy was the peoples merchant ships(militia) fitted with armory, as needed. It was the States people, that was the navy, that could be raised, to defend the nation under attack.
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Old 12-12-2015, 07:49 AM
 
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Who is it that`s arming the dogs? That`s not in the Constitution either.
Man's Worst Enemy: 6 Negligent Gun Owners Who Were Shot by Their Own Dogs | Alternet
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Old 12-12-2015, 08:20 AM
 
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Raise. Means it is not always there. National Defense means, the united nation is under attack of war...
Washington raised an army, to defeat the British. They all wen home when the defense of the nation under attack was concluded.
Raise an army when needed, from the States Militias. The navy was the peoples merchant ships(militia) fitted with armory, as needed. It was the States people, that was the navy, that could be raised, to defend the nation under attack.
So, you think we should raise an army only after we are attacked. That is rather foolish.
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Old 12-12-2015, 12:01 PM
 
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Where in the US Constitution, did We The People, allow them the government to Keep & Bear arms?



Remember, there was to be no standing armies, like we have today. Remember long ago, it was the states, that trained and sent people into battle for the nation. The New York 21st Regiment? The Alabama 2nd Battalion? Texas 12th Infantry.

We The People, told them the government, we are the army.
I read this a while back........if nothing else the militia needs to be somewhat trained and disciplined.
George Washington on the problems of the Militia


Had we formed a permanent army in the beginning, which, by the continuance of the same men in service, had been capable of discipline, we never should have had to retreat with a handful of men across the Delaware in '76, trembling for the fate of America, which nothing but the infatuation of the enemy could have saved; we should not have remained all the succeeding winter at their mercy, with sometimes scarcely a sufficient body of men to mount the ordinary guards, liable at every moment to be dissipated, if they had only thought proper to march against us: we should not have been under the necessity of fighting at Brandywine, with an unequal number of raw troops, and afterwards of seeing Philadelphia fall a prey to a victorious army; we should not have been at Valley Forge with less than half the force of the enemy, destitute of every thing, in a situation neither to resist nor to retire; we should not have seen New York left with a handful of men, yet an overmatch for the main army of these States, while the principal part of their force was detached for the reduction of two of them; we should not have found ourselves this spring so weak, as to be insulted by five thousand men, unable to protect our baggage and Magazines, their security depending on a good countenance, and a want of enterprise in the enemy; we should not have been the greatest part of the war inferior to the enemy, indebted for our safety to their inactivity, enduring frequently the mortification of seeing inviting opportunities to ruin them pass unimproved for want of a force, which the country was completely able to afford; to see the Country ravaged, our towns burnt, the inhabitants plundered, abused, murdered with impunity from the same cause.


Nor have the ill effects been confined to the military line. A great part of the embarrassments in the civil departments flow from the same source. The derangement of our finances is essentially to be ascribed to it. The expenses of the war, and the Paper emissions, have been greatly multiplied by it. We have had, a great part of the time, two sets of men to feed and pay, the discharged men going home and the Levies coming in. This was more remarkable in '75 and '76. The difficulty and cost of engaging men have increased at every successive attempt, till among the present levies we find there are some, who have received a hundred and fifty dollars in specie for five months' service, while our officers are reduced to the disagreeable necessity of performing the duties of drill sergeants to them, and with this mortifying reflection annexed to the business, that, by the time they have taught those men the rudiments of a soldier's duty, their term of service will have expired, and the work is to recommence with an entire new set. The consumption of Provision, arms, accoutrements, stores of every kind, has been doubled in spite of every precaution I could use, not only from the cause just mentioned, but from the carelessness and licentiousness incident to militia and irregular Troops. Our discipline also has been much injured, if not ruined, by such frequent changes. The frequent calls upon the militia have interrupted the cultivation of the Land, and of course have lessened the quantity of its produce, occasioned a scarcity, and enhanced the prices. In an army so unstable as ours, order and economy have been impracticable. No person, who has been a close observer of the progress of our affairs, can doubt that our currency has depreciated without comparison more rapidly from the system of short enlistments, than it would have done otherwise.


There is every reason to believe, the War has been protracted on this account. Our opposition being less, made the successes of the enemy greater. The fluctuation of the army kept alive their hopes, and at every period of the dissolution of a considerable part of it, they have flattered themselves with some decisive advantages. Had we kept a permanent army on foot, the enemy could have had nothing to hope for, and would in all probability have listened to terms long since.
If the army is left in its present situation, it must continue an encouragement to the efforts of the enemy; if it is put upon a respectable one, it must have a contrary effect, and nothing, I believe, will tend more to give us peace the ensuing winter. It will be an interesting winter. Many circumstances will contribute to a negotiation. An army on foot not only for another campaign, but for several campaigns, would determine the enemy to pacific measures, and enable us to insist upon favorable terms in forcible language; an army insignificant in numbers, dissatisfied, crumbling into pieces, would be the strongest temptation they could have to try the experiment a little longer. It is an old maxim, that the surest way to make a good peace is to be well prepared for war.
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Old 12-12-2015, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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Where in the US Constitution, did We The People, allow them the government to Keep & Bear arms?



Remember, there was to be no standing armies, like we have today. Remember long ago, it was the states, that trained and sent people into battle for the nation. The New York 21st Regiment? The Alabama 2nd Battalion? Texas 12th Infantry.

We The People, told them the government, we are the army.
Wow. Google is there for you just like all of us. The U.S. military is older than the constitution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army
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Old 12-12-2015, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
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The Constitution put the 2nd amendment in (our right to keep and bear arms) so that if the GOVERNMENT gets too heavy handed, we can do something about it...hopefully, with the assistance of our armed forces. And, for self-protection, as we should NEVER rely on anyone but ourselves, which many nowadays have forgotten how to do!
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Old 12-12-2015, 02:32 PM
 
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Where in the US Constitution, did We The People, allow them the government to Keep & Bear arms?
Article II, Section 2, Clause 1
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Old 12-12-2015, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Preamble calls for the government to provide for national defense, and Section 8 authorizes them to raise armies, and a navy. People joke about the air force being un-constitutional, because only army and navy are mentioned, but common sense mandates it is not.
What about the marines?
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