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Time for ALL of us to get our kids out of the destructive dumb-down centers known as public schools.
Government schools have become nothing but taxpayer fueled indoctrination camps, with the all-but-admitted goal being to actually stifle intellect, creativity, curiosity, and motivation.
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How about a quote from Mao's little red book?
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I asked precisely the same question earlier. No answer yet.
I would have no problem with them copying a quote from Mao's Little Red Book or even Hitler's book because Mao and Hitler are not religious figures and communism and naziism are not religions. My problem here is that these students are being taught religion in the public school system. This should not be allowed in a country that requires the separation of church and state, a country where a poster of the Ten Commandments was recently removed from an Alabama courtroom by court order.
Mao and Hitler, communism and naziism, SHOULD BE taught in the public schools. Islam and all other religions SHOULD NOT be taught in the public schools.
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How about a quote from Mao's little red book?
I would have no problem with them copying a quote from Mao's Little Red Book or even Hitler's book because Mao and Hitler are not religious figures and communism and naziism are not religions. My problem here is that these students are being taught religion in the public school system. This should not be allowed in a country that requires the separation of church and state, a country where a poster of the Ten Commandments was recently removed from an Alabama courtroom by court order.
Mao and Hitler, communism and naziism, SHOULD BE taught in the public schools. Islam and all other religions SHOULD NOT be taught in the public schools.
You're an extremist on the other side. To understand World History, even at the barest level, religion is essential. The problem is with how much religion is brought into those classes. There's no reason to learn the 5 pillars of Islam, listen to the call to prayer, etc.. The same principle should apply to other religions.
What's happened is sneaking extensive teaching of world religions into the classroom through history and geography curriculum and lesson plans.
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Originally Posted by modernist1 View Post
How about a quote from Mao's little red book?
I would have no problem with them copying a quote from Mao's Little Red Book or even Hitler's book because Mao and Hitler are not religious figures and communism and naziism are not religions. My problem here is that these students are being taught religion in the public school system. This should not be allowed in a country that requires the separation of church and state, a country where a poster of the Ten Commandments was recently removed from an Alabama courtroom by court order.
Mao and Hitler, communism and naziism, SHOULD BE taught in the public schools. Islam and all other religions SHOULD NOT be taught in the public schools.
They can and should teach about religion, but not who God Is or their personal opinion about God. They also should teach children who the people of the Crusades were fighting and why they were fighting. Not teaching that the Crusades were bad, this only shows one has not educated themselves in History.
Also, if a writing assignment is given, there is no reason whatsoever to not tell the kids what they are writing. I find that others are not questioning this, highly disturbing.
They can and should teach about religion, but not who God Is or their personal opinion about God. They also should teach children who the people of the Crusades were fighting and why they were fighting. Not teaching that the Crusades were bad, this only shows one has not educated themselves in History.
Also, if a writing assignment is given, there is no reason whatsoever to not tell the kids what they are writing. I find that others are not questioning this, highly disturbing.
Teaching about religion - as each area of the World is studied - is probably a good thing. Judaism & Christianity & Islam & probably the rest - are hard to understand even just as ideological systems without connecting them to their place of origin & seeing their effects upon the World.
As for the writing assignment - the Arabic calligraphy - I understood it was presented as challenging assignment to copy the graphical elements. Difficult because (I assume) the students didn't know Arabic, didn't know the characters, the diacritics, the markers for vowels, etc. The intent was show the stylized script, to inspire some appreciation for the esthetics of the writing itself. I hesitate to call it a writing assignment - because I don't know that anyone fluent in Arabic would be able to read the students' attempts @ copying the text. I don't think so - the one example looks pretty far off - but we'd have to show the attempts to fluent Arabic speakers to know for sure. & learning to write the text wasn't the intent - there's not nearly enough time to master the written characters (especially a non-Roman alphabet), the markers, & the mechanics of Arabic). I'm assuming that this was a survey course, with the calligraphy exercise as a sidelight, & Arabic as a language not the main focus.
Yes, the worksheet mentioned that the Arabic was a statement of faith. In 9th grade, I don't know that I would have recognized that term. Faith in that context is suggestive, but apparently there were students who questioned the assignment, & some who refused to do it.
Time for ALL of us to get our kids out of the destructive dumb-down centers known as public schools.
Government schools have become nothing but taxpayer fueled indoctrination camps, with the all-but-admitted goal being to actually stifle intellect, creativity, curiosity, and motivation.
The ironic thing is, we're teaching kids to be understanding and tolerant of Islam when in fact, based upon Islamic principals, that "religion" is by far the most intolerant. I'm certain when historians look back at the reasons for the fall of the US, the biggest cause will be this obnoxious PC attitude that is spreading like a cancer.
The ironic thing is, we're teaching kids to be understanding and tolerant of Islam when in fact, based upon Islamic principals, that "religion" is by far the most intolerant. I'm certain when historians look back at the reasons for the fall of the US, the biggest cause will be this obnoxious PC attitude that is spreading like a cancer.
No, I don't see the copying script exercise as understanding nor tolerance for Islam. Maybe an understanding of Islam as far as its origin & the circumstances of its spread in the Mediterranean & Asia, but direct teaching of the religion wasn't the point.
Radical Islam is certainly intolerant. Most religions run the risk of slipping into a lopsided view of the World. There are segments of Judaism & Christianity that have the same issue.
Will the US fall? It's a good question - we've had our ups & downs - just @ the moment, I think we're doing OK. Not great - there's more we could be doing. But within the World as it stands, we're doing OK.
The politically correct attitude was originally a Socialist/Communist in-joke, about the dense language used to justify party positions. Now it's apparently meant to deny the importance of manners. But in a technical society, when trust is an absolute necessity - Who raised your food? Did they spray dangerous chemicals on it? Did they adulterate your milk to make it appear more nutritious? Were the cattle your beef came from sick or dying @ slaughter? Were they fed growth or milk-enhancing hormones? - manners are more important than they ever were before. Unless you mean to have a siege mentality all the time.
The politically correct attitude was originally a Socialist/Communist in-joke, about the dense language used to justify party positions.
I remember an artist from the USSR remarking that sometimes she just wanted to paint a picture of a flower without it having to communicate some important Communist thought.
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Now it's apparently meant to deny the importance of manners. But in a technical society, when trust is an absolute necessity - Who raised your food? Did they spray dangerous chemicals on it? Did they adulterate your milk to make it appear more nutritious? Were the cattle your beef came from sick or dying @ slaughter? Were they fed growth or milk-enhancing hormones? - manners are more important than they ever were before. Unless you mean to have a siege mentality all the time.
I'd quibble with your first point--it's not the denial of manners, but the elevation of manners in communication above the substance of communication.
I was once told about a trip I was arranging for a group of kids to be sure to provide accommodations for two boys who were "specially abled."
"Specially abled?" Superman is "specially abled." What exactly did I have to make preparations for?
The ironic thing is, we're teaching kids to be understanding and tolerant of Islam when in fact, based upon Islamic principals, that "religion" is by far the most intolerant.
Well I think that at the minimum, one should at least learn about the culture that you believe you are at war with.
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I'm certain when historians look back at the reasons for the fall of the US, the biggest cause will be this obnoxious PC attitude that is spreading like a cancer.
I'm equally certain that when the U.S. falls it will because history is too "PC" to be taught.
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Teaching about religion, yes
