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Even by state, the Black homicide rate is very high, but including rural Blacks lowers the per capita rate. In Chicago, the homicide rate of the city as a whole is dismal, but it looks much worse when specific neighborhoods are looked at.
In West Garfield Park, the per capita homicide rate is 116 per 100 thousand. That's a neighborhood that is 96 percent Black.
The majority of African Americans "Up North" are "Urban" and not "Rural". The vast majority of homicides for African Americans are in poor areas of concentrated poverty. Chicago has some of the highest rates of concentrated poverty due to its population density. This is why the trend is now away from high density public housing like that of the 50's and 60's era, that became notorious for the level of concentrated generational poverty....and violence. If you have 20,000 poor people in one square mile, you could have 20 homicides in that square mile.....however....I think that is a distinction without really a difference from 20 murders in a 10 square mile area of a city with lesser density.
All the attention being given to Chicago....to me....is unwarranted and will only create a self fulfilling prophecy in the long run.....from irresponsible media. That is what happened in Detroit when Detroit became the poster child for violence and murder. Many years Detroit was named the murder capital....and it really was not. One year Detroit got the label....but Atlanta really was.
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More likely, the weapons were acquired via a straw purchaser.
There is no such thing as a straw purchase.
Guns are to be made, distributed and carried by the people. That shall not be infringed.
Government at any level has no say what so ever, or it would be restricting your civil rights to protect yourself from them and all other evil.
Illegal guns and straw purchase, are government made up terms, to fool the public into thinking government can restrict your access to a firearm.
The right to keep and bear arms.
It is not specific in what arms.
It is not specific where we keep them
It is not specific where we bear them.
What is very specific about it, that government has nothing to do with the peoples arms and any attempt by government legislate arms is to be ignored, unless you fear government yourself.
This subject is silly to say the least. Everything is about Black and White or conservative and liberal. We will not stand as a nation with this type of foolishness of whatever I read I believe. We don't need the type of gun availability that we currently have. Nothing good can come from it.
The majority of African Americans "Up North" are "Urban" and not "Rural". The vast majority of homicides for African Americans are in poor areas of concentrated poverty. Chicago has some of the highest rates of concentrated poverty due to its population density. This is why the trend is now away from high density public housing like that of the 50's and 60's era, that became notorious for the level of concentrated generational poverty....and violence. If you have 20,000 poor people in one square mile, you could have 20 homicides in that square mile.....however....I think that is a distinction without really a difference from 20 murders in a 10 square mile area of a city with lesser density.
All the attention being given to Chicago....to me....is unwarranted and will only create a self fulfilling prophecy in the long run.....from irresponsible media. That is what happened in Detroit when Detroit became the poster child for violence and murder. Many years Detroit was named the murder capital....and it really was not. One year Detroit got the label....but Atlanta really was.
The crime stats are per 100,000 people, not per square mile.
Lincoln Park has about 1 murder per 100,000 people per year.
Austin (3 miles away) has about 30-40 per 100,000 people per year.
Same laws, same gun controls, same gun availability, same cops......huge difference.
Why?
Well liars and fools that believe them will say the problem is guns when clearly it's not the guns that are different.
75% of the gun violence is gang related in Chicago.
Guns are a way for the people controlling these cities to politically pass the buck and blame their rivals for the lack of opportunity, bad schools, isolated housing projects behind "walls" of rail tracks and interstate highways so they can't easily get to the nice areas.
Guns are an excuse for the symptoms from the people that don't want to invest in the cure.
75% of the gun violence is gang related in Chicago.
Guns are a way for the people controlling these cities to politically pass the buck and blame their rivals for the lack of opportunity, bad schools, isolated housing projects behind "walls" of rail tracks and interstate highways so they can't easily get to the nice areas.
Guns are an excuse for the symptoms from the people that don't want to invest in the cure.
Wow. Thanks for that Captain Obvious. My point was that high density makes violence seem worse. Twenty murders in a one square mile area will seem a lot worse than 20 murders spread out over a 10 square mile radius with the same number of people.
You can say that 75% of murders are gang related. You can say that 75% of murders are drug related. You can say that 75% of murders are poverty related...etc.
Hey....everyday as a nation.....we are probably bombing some people somewhere on this earth. Violence comes from the top down in this nation.
Sun, rain, or snow, you can always count on Chicago to produce a body count. Are any of these shooters going to be called "domestic terrorists"? How many of those guns do you suppose were bought through the "gun show loophole".
One weekend back in the '70's we had 33 murders, for some kind of a record.
Bangers killing each other doesn't pull at my heart strings.
Why I have a problem with Chigago shootings is that these shootings become statistics.
These statistics are used to make anti gun arguments against law abiding gun owners.
What a disconnect from reality. 98% of the time those stats are posted by conservatives to lambaste Chicago's gun laws. There is thread after tiresome thread of that nature on this forum alone.
If anything, Chicago shooting stats are fodder for conservative's ridiculous "good guy with a gun" fantasies.
So, what you claim is a "loophole" happens all over the Country on a day to day basis not just at gun shows. Guess what. It's not enforceable. Please explain how you would bust people selling private firearms to people they already know.
LE is already doing everything they can and it's not really helping.
It is funny they reported on it as some kind of smoking gun, pun intended.
from the article What Lewisbey didn’t know at the time was the feds were watching him. Said Ahern of the ATF, “There’s a large number of individuals at gun show that are selling their personal collections and they’re not holding the buyers to any kind of criminal background check or any paperwork of those transactions.”
Plus, how do you track a serial number on a weapon that has none?
You are trying to change the subject from one of:
Gun Nuts: HA HA HA. Chicago is so violent despite having tight gun control!! HA HA. Oh.... I see. So it's because its loose-goosey neighboring states are supplying many of the guns.
To:
Gun Nuts: So HOW are you going to stop people from smuggling guns into Chicago?? Eh!!
Where? Unless you consider your self a gun nut....
Dude, just look at this thread:
Gun nuts completely tried to mislead people about the origin of the guns (from out of state, which got around the tight gun control).
Q: How do we know when gun nuts are lying?
A: When their lips are moving.
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