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Old 01-10-2016, 01:31 PM
 
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This is an interesting thread because it shows that some people are seemingly programmed to the point to where they don't care about the story itself, but the origin of the story.


For example, a person who has a perceived or real affiliation with party B says I don't think it's a good idea to put people in genocide chambers, an individual who cannot overlook party affiliation, who themselves is affiliated with party A would convince themselves that the party B individual's views are wrong, and that people should be put in genocide chambers because they are programmed to disagree with the individual, rather than the idea due to the perceived source of the idea.


This inability to think critically and compromise will eventually lead to a society where others think for you because you have rendered yourself incapable of logic.
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Old 01-10-2016, 03:22 PM
 
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Everyone thinks a constitutional convention is a great idea as long is its just their ideas. What if people agreed, but put things like the second amendment up for change?

So be careful what you wish for, it may not be what you receive.
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Old 01-10-2016, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Abbott's nine proposed amendments are:
  • Prohibit congress from regulating activity that occurs wholly within one state.
  • Require Congress to balance its budget.
  • Prohibit administrative agencies from creating federal law.
  • Prohibit administrative agencies from pre-empting state law.
  • Allow a two-thirds majority of the states to override a U.S. Supreme Court decision.
  • Require a seven-justice super-majority vote for U.S. Supreme Court decisions that invalidate a democratically enacted law
  • Restore the balance of power between the federal and state governments by limiting the former to the powers expressly delegated to it in the Constitution.
  • Give state officials the power to sue in federal court when federal officials overstep their bounds.
  • Allow a two-thirds majority of the states to override a federal law or regulation.
What activity is this in reference too? What activities are there that exist only within a single state?


I'm down for a balanced budget. Our military might actually be used for something moral and honest if they can't just blow money on stupid wars.


Not realistic. Currently, all laws must go through congress. The fact is, even if this amendment were passed, it would not guarantee that it would actually happen. Currently, congressmen will endorse laws made by political allies or people who pay for their ****. If this amendment is passed, odds are, the agencies would make bills WITH a congressman or make one and give it to the congressman. Unless something is passed to address issues of corruptions (also, corporations, activists, and unions who create laws), nothing will change.



There are protections for this already, if I'm not mistaken. It can be violated based on severe enough need, like when Eisenhower issues an executive order to desegregate schools. However, Obama could not issue one to overthrow Abbott. If we want to talk about how lose we've been (if that's how you feel) about these protections, fine, but there isn't an actual need for an amendment.



Gee, wonder what issues sparked that suggestion...



I'm not wholly opposed to an idea like this, but given that judges are so politically biased, it's not a realistic thing to do.



Maybe. Again, these are situations where that isn't actually a good thing. I don't want to use my Eisenhower argument again, but it works really well. The conservative myth that the state government is the good guy is confusing to me. It's still a government and susceptible to the same flaws as the federal government.



Hahaha... sure, why not.



Also, not exactly a mystery as to what that is in reference to.
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Old 01-10-2016, 03:50 PM
 
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Basically, states want to start behaving like independent countries. Ridiculous.
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Old 01-10-2016, 03:52 PM
 
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Basically, states want to start behaving like independent countries. Ridiculous.
Why is it ridiculous.
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Old 01-10-2016, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Why is it ridiculous.
Because we are a country of 50 states, not 50 countries.
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Old 01-10-2016, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Because we are a country of 50 states, not 50 countries.
So what does that have to do with anything?

Many US states have land areas and/or populations equal or greater to European countries some have state domestic products higher than many European countries. The EU is a federation (which would be federal) of states that also happen to be countries.

If states the size of European countries can survive not only being a country but also being a state within the Federation of the EU, what makes US states so different?
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Old 01-10-2016, 11:43 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So what does that have to do with anything?

Many US states have land areas and/or populations equal or greater to European countries some have state domestic products higher than many European countries. The EU is a federation (which would be federal) of states that also happen to be countries.

If states the size of European countries can survive not only being a country but also being a state within the Federation of the EU, what makes US states so different?
You can move from state to state to state if you like, you never need to show a passport at each state border because we are one country. There might be states that have populations similar to other countries, but that doesn't change the fact that they are each still just states.
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Old 01-10-2016, 11:47 PM
 
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Because we are a country of 50 states, not 50 countries.
Obama thinks that we are a country of 57 states.
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Old 01-11-2016, 05:09 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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You can move from state to state to state if you like, you never need to show a passport at each state border because we are one country. There might be states that have populations similar to other countries, but that doesn't change the fact that they are each still just states.
In the Schengen area of Europe you can move from country to country, you never need to show a passport at each countries border because they are all one federation. European citizens can work in London, Paris, Rome, Berlin just by getting a job there. There is a common currency in most of Europe too.

It doesn't change the fact that they're countries in one Federation.
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