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Old 01-17-2016, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Apparently Medicaid covers abortion in only 15 states.

Can Medicaid cover my abortion? | Fund Abortion Now.org

Or maybe 17 states. Scroll to the map to see what/where.

Coverage for Abortion Services and the ACA | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation


I don't know how PP does it or doesn't.

Do they have separate rooms set aside for abortions only? Are they on different electric/gas meters? Are there separate parking lots/receptionists/nurses/waiting rooms etc. for those seeking abortions? Is the rent or mortgage or property tax split up and paid for from separate accounts based on how many abortions vs. "general care" patients seen every month/quarter?
Really? If you want to get that specific, let's do it to all non profits, especially churches.


Should a church be able to call the fire department I support with MY tax dollars?


Should they be able to call the police department that I support with MY tax dollars?


Oh.....and no street lights around churches, if they want lights, they should pay for it with their own money, not mine.


Why should I be forced to provide safety forces for a church/religion I do not believe in?


If that church wants to use services provided by taxpayers, why shouldn't they pay their fair share?
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Old 01-17-2016, 10:16 PM
 
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There was no insurance or Medicaid fraud found. Like any medical issue, you have a procedure done and there is a claim sent to the ins co or Medicaid - according to the contract and allowable fee. Like my dental approves 90% of cleanings but no braces for me. It is run like any other medical and insurance program , people lose it when it all goes political . It is possible to make an error or even a purposed one, but 99.9 % of people not set out to lose their jobs by defrauding ins co.s over abortions
Neither insurance nor Medicaid fraud was in question.

If your insurance doesn't cover braces, it doesn't cover braces. Buy an insurance plan that covers orthodontics…which will cost you much more premium wise if you are an adult than your friendly neighborhood Orthodontist's payment plan.

The issue has to do with how does PP separate the federal funding monies from everything else when they run an abortion clinic and a "women's health" clinic under the same roof. How are the operating expenses broken down when money is fungible?
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Old 01-17-2016, 10:50 PM
 
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Really? If you want to get that specific, let's do it to all non profits, especially churches.
Ok, lets go!


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Should a church be able to call the fire department I support with MY tax dollars?

Should a subsidized housing complex be able to call the fire department I support with MY tax dollars?


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Should they be able to call the police department that I support with MY tax dollars?
Should anyone living in that subsidized housing complex be able to call the police, those whom I support through MY tax dollars?


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Oh.....and no street lights around churches, if they want lights, they should pay for it with their own money, not mine.
Oh….and no street lights around subsidized housing projects (no pools, no basketball courts, no parks, no community centers)…if they want any of that? They should pay for it with their own money. Not mine.


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Why should I be forced to provide safety forces for a church/religion I do not believe in?
Why should I be forced to provide safety forces for a lifestyle/group of people I do not believe in?


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If that church wants to use services provided by taxpayers, why shouldn't they pay their fair share?
If those folks want to use services they can't afford? They need to pay their fair share…get their ass out of bed and find a job…buy some condoms (or get free ones from PP…that they don't seem to be able to find until they need an abortion).

Do you really want to continue or would you prefer to get back on the track you veered off of and discuss how PP pays for non-federal tax dollar allowed services under the same roof as donations, etc.?
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Old 01-17-2016, 11:21 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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It doesn't matter, if they receive any money it's still indirectly subsidizing abortion.
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Old 01-17-2016, 11:22 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Ok, lets go!





Should a subsidized housing complex be able to call the fire department I support with MY tax dollars?




Should anyone living in that subsidized housing complex be able to call the police, those whom I support through MY tax dollars?




Oh….and no street lights around subsidized housing projects (no pools, no basketball courts, no parks, no community centers)…if they want any of that? They should pay for it with their own money. Not mine.




Why should I be forced to provide safety forces for a lifestyle/group of people I do not believe in?




If those folks want to use services they can't afford? They need to pay their fair share…get their ass out of bed and find a job…buy some condoms (or get free ones from PP…that they don't seem to be able to find until they need an abortion).

Do you really want to continue or would you prefer to get back on the track you veered off of and discuss how PP pays for non-federal tax dollar allowed services under the same roof as donations, etc.?

FAIL!


Churches should not be allowed to use services I pay for.


They should fund their own, separate fire and police force.....perhaps volunteer forces made up of church members.....but leave MY money out of it.


My tax money should not be used to support churches.......in any way......directly or indirectly.


That's the exact same standard you are trying to apply to PP.
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Old 01-18-2016, 05:03 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Annie53 View Post
Really? If you want to get that specific, let's do it to all non profits, especially churches.


Should a church be able to call the fire department I support with MY tax dollars?


Should they be able to call the police department that I support with MY tax dollars?


Oh.....and no street lights around churches, if they want lights, they should pay for it with their own money, not mine.


Why should I be forced to provide safety forces for a church/religion I do not believe in?


If that church wants to use services provided by taxpayers, why shouldn't they pay their fair share?
Why go after Churches? Why not NFL, NASCAR. Its always a religion thing with the left. Why the hate.
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Old 01-18-2016, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Why go after Churches? Why not NFL, NASCAR. Its always a religion thing with the left. Why the hate.
NFL is no longer a not-for-profit organization. Dunno about NASCAR.

The point is that not-for-profit organizations don't pay property and income taxes, but use taxpayer-supported services. Churches are often the most egregious examples. Think about Creflo Dollar's personal jet. If his church can afford to buy that little toy for him, it can darn well afford to help support the local fire department.

But yes, in my opinion, many not-for-profits can afford to pay taxes, and should be paying taxes. (And I used to work for one.) The rub is how to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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Old 01-18-2016, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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It doesn't matter, if they receive any money it's still indirectly subsidizing abortion.
Same goes for hospitals.
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Old 01-18-2016, 07:18 AM
 
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Why go after Churches? Why not NFL, NASCAR. Its always a religion thing with the left. Why the hate.
You know why - it's the Churches and the Religious that keep pointing out they are killing babies.
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Old 01-18-2016, 09:17 AM
 
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Ok, lets go!





Should a subsidized housing complex be able to call the fire department I support with MY tax dollars?




Should anyone living in that subsidized housing complex be able to call the police, those whom I support through MY tax dollars?




Oh….and no street lights around subsidized housing projects (no pools, no basketball courts, no parks, no community centers)…if they want any of that? They should pay for it with their own money. Not mine.




Why should I be forced to provide safety forces for a lifestyle/group of people I do not believe in?




If those folks want to use services they can't afford? They need to pay their fair share…get their ass out of bed and find a job…buy some condoms (or get free ones from PP…that they don't seem to be able to find until they need an abortion).

Do you really want to continue or would you prefer to get back on the track you veered off of and discuss how PP pays for non-federal tax dollar allowed services under the same roof as donations, etc.?
There is separation of church and state, like there is a law that says that no tax money should support abortion, however there is no law stating no tax money to people you personally deemed unworthy.
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